KarbonDallas · August 29, 2015 14:18 · konobi · Apr 3, 2015 · aredridel · Apr 3, 2015
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 15:21 < mdev> that nick of yours :(
 15:21 < mdev> I heard audio tapes of her, incredibly disturbing and sad
 15:21 <@emilyrose> mdev: what?
 15:22 < mdev> of emily rose
 15:22 <@emilyrose> not me
 15:22 <@emilyrose> this isn't a 'nickname', it's my real name
 15:23 < mdev> she was a woman that was possessed and starved herself to death, defecated everywhere, 
              and who ultimately died, there's real life audio of her online, is very disturbing, 
              doesn't sound like a woman at all...there's been movies made about her
 15:24 <@emilyrose> mdev: you're making me uncomfortable right now
 15:24 <@emilyrose> mdev: can you find somewhere else to talk about that please?
 15:25 < mdev> figured that's what your nick was from
 15:25 < harbhub> to be fair, your name made them uncomfortable first
 15:25 < breakingthings> that character is fictional, mdev
 15:25 < harbhub> let's call it even
 15:26 <@emilyrose> harbhub: this is my name
 15:26 < mdev> definitely not fictional, was a real woman, again her audio tapes are online, you can 
              find real life pics of her too in her last days, those are incredibly disturbing too
 15:26 < gkatsev> i... uh... what emilyrose said. Let's talk about something else.
 15:26 < mdev> hopefully that poor womans in Heaven now
 15:26 < breakingthings> mdev: No, the "Emily Rose" character is fictional, created for the horror 
                        movie.
 15:26 <@emilyrose> mdev: how many more times should I ask you to stop before it would be reasonable 
                   to expect you to?
 15:27 <@emilyrose> I deserve to be able to chat without people making disturbing commentary on my 
                   name
 15:27 < mdev> breaking 2 seconds of research show she's not at all fictional...but is fine, is off 
              topic
 15:27 < mdev> question: was I the only one kicked just now?
 15:29 < matthewt> yep
 15:29 < mdev> that's what I thought...I was simply responding to him, the conversation was over a 
              long time ago really. Just because you have the ability to abuse, doesn't mean you 
              should
 15:29 < mdev> there was many others conversing and 100% you ignored them and targeted me...
 15:30 < breakingthings> nobody else was comparing her name to a disturbing charicature.
 15:30 < breakingthings> :/
 15:30 <@emilyrose> mdev: you are the only one being problematic right now. It's not abuse to kick 
                   you from the channel after asking you 3 times to stop.
 15:30 < Mikul_> I am installing NVM but when I restart terminal then it give error "-bash: nvm: 
                command not found"
 15:30 < GreenJello> b> for(var i=0;i<1e4;i++)process.stdout.write('blah ')
 15:30 < babelbot> GreenJello: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
                  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
                  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
                  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
                  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…
 15:31 < breakingthings> 10/10
 15:31 < breakingthings> would blah again
 15:31 < GreenJello> mikul_, there's a line you need to put in you bash profile
 15:31 < mdev> i'm being problematic? Ok, let's ignore everyone and target me, then justify your 
              abuse with it's all my fault
 15:31 -!- mode/#Node.js [+b *!*mdev@unaffiliated/mdev] by emilyrose
 15:31 -!- mdev was kicked from #Node.js by emilyrose [mdev]
 15:31 -!- trigoman [[email protected]] has joined #Node.js
 15:32 <@emilyrose> sounds good
diff --git a/2) mdev.log b/2) mdev.log
 15:28 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with mdev
 15:31 <emilyrose> it really shouldn't be this difficult to get you to stop making offensive 
                  commentary on my name
 15:32 <mdev> why do you continue to abuse your status
 15:32 <emilyrose> let me explain this to you clearly
 15:32 <mdev> did the individuals who gave you op know you act in this manner?
 15:32 <emilyrose> I asked you nicely 3 times to stop with the disturbing comparison of me to a 
                  fictional character
 15:32 <emilyrose> you refused
 15:32 <mdev> would they appreciate you treating users in this way?
 15:32 <emilyrose> I kicked you
 15:32 <emilyrose> and now you are continuing still
 15:32 <mdev> it's not a fictonal character
 15:32 <mdev> https://www.google.com/#q=Anneliese+Michel
 15:32 <mdev> that's who she is
 15:33 <mdev> and I was done with the conversation, others chimed in/asked questions
 15:33 <emilyrose> I'm done talking to you
 15:33 <emilyrose> if you have an issue with your ban, take it up with other ops
 15:33 <mdev> that's fine, also be done abusing your status
 15:33 <emilyrose> I'll be sure to provide them with a log of the incident
 15:33 <mdev> lol at ban
 15:33 <emilyrose> it's not abuse to moderate the channel in accordance with the channel policy
 15:33 <emilyrose> nice try though
 15:33 <mdev> you really need to remove it, i'll let the abuse go
 15:33 <mdev> but if you don't remove it
 15:33 <emilyrose> not a chance
 15:33 <emilyrose> have a good day
 15:33 <mdev> other ops are being contacted
 15:34 <mdev> ok, your choice
 15:34 <emilyrose> I already invited you to message other ops
 15:34 <emilyrose> take care
 15:34 <mdev> I don;t need your invitation, you're in the wrong here and you know it
 15:34 <mdev> whether they correct your wrong is of no importance, you're who's doing it, and should 
             instead do the right thing
 15:38 <mdev> founders been contacted...I think there's a good chance he'll be reasonable, as he was 
             kind enough to help me about a half hour ago on a node issue. Honestly though 
             regardless if he lifts the ban or not, you really need to not be an op anymore until 
             you can treat people right IMHO.
 15:40 <emilyrose> 1) it's my decision whether to lift the ban
 15:40 <emilyrose> 2) you are the one who needs to learn how to treat people right. I respectfully 
                  asked you several times to stop. You refused. This is *your* lesson.
 15:41 <emilyrose> you're going to have to work it out with me if you want to get back into #node.js
 15:41 <emilyrose> not try to go over my head
 15:41 <emilyrose> sorry
 15:42 <mdev> well the logs are available, these and the channels, if tjfontaine reasonable he'll 
             remove your ban and teach you a "lesson" about not abusing. I was in no violation, I 
             ended the conversation happily when you asked and would have even earlier if people 
             didn't ask questions/comment on it
 15:42 <mdev> those same people you ignore entirely and focus on me
 15:42 <emilyrose> those people weren't saying distubing things
 15:42 <emilyrose> you were
 15:42 <mdev> ...
 15:42 <emilyrose> so yes, I focused on you
 15:42 <emilyrose> and again
 15:42 <emilyrose> he will not remove the ban
 15:42 <emilyrose> if anyone does, it will be me
 15:42 <emilyrose> this is a channel policy
 15:42 <emilyrose> lol
 15:42 <mdev> you can try and justify the ban but you know full well it shouldn't have been set
 15:43 <mdev> just because you're permitted apparently to abuse doesn'tmean you should
 15:43 <emilyrose> I know full and well that I set the ban justly
 15:43 <emilyrose> so if you want to pretend you know my thoughts better than I do we can stop right 
                  now
 15:43 <mdev> if shoe were on the other foot you wouldn't want people banning you and laughing 
             because they're convince other ops won't do anything
 15:43 <emilyrose> because I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who thinks they're better 
                  than me
 15:43 <emilyrose> I'm not laughing
 15:43 <mdev> "better than you"...sigh i'm not better than anyone
 15:43 <emilyrose> I'm actually quite distressed by the fact that you feel you have the right to make 
                  commentary on my name in a public channel regardless of my repeated attempts to 
                  ask you to stop
 15:44 <emilyrose> then stop acting like you know what I'm thinking
 15:44 <mdev> but I also wouldn't be banning people like you for invalid reasons and laughing and 
             being completely unreasonable
 15:44 <emilyrose> listen to me
 15:44 <emilyrose> 1) I'm not laughing
 15:44 <emilyrose> 2) I'm not being unreasonable
 15:44 <emilyrose> 3) my reason for ban was completely valid
 15:44 <emilyrose> I'm sorry if that's difficult for you to reason with, but until we can agree on 
                  those things, there's not much I can say
 15:44 <emilyrose> I'm happy to discuss how you can get back into the channel if you like
 15:45 <mdev> well look, I apologize if you took offense, you have a famous name, the comment the 
             proceeded yours that said you found it offense agreed with me, the ban wasn't needed, 
             the conversation was long over
 15:45 <emilyrose> but if you're going to insist on debating the justifications around your ban then 
                  there's not much to discuss
 15:45 <mdev> I wasn't aware that emily rose herself was fictional is after a real person but the 
             real persons name is different
 15:45 <emilyrose> the ban is needed until we have an understanding on what is expected from people 
                  in #node.js
 15:45 <emilyrose> mdev I am a real person
 15:45 <emilyrose> a real person with the name Emily Rose
 15:45 <emilyrose> do you not understand that?
 15:46 <mdev> that you decided to broadcast on irc...a public medium
 15:46 <mdev> then get upset if someone comments on it
 15:46 <emilyrose> so that means you have the right to make disturbing commentary on it in a 
                  community support channel?
 15:46 <emilyrose> I don't think so
 15:46 <mdev> if your name was billgates and I said something about billgates
 15:46 <emilyrose> my name is not an invitation for you to make offensive remarks
 15:46 <mdev> see what I mean that's incredibly petty
 15:47 <emilyrose> it's also not justification for you to continue your commentary after I ask you to 
                  stop
 15:47 <mdev> I didn't say anything insulting was just explaining who she was
 15:47 <emilyrose> and *that* is why you were banned
 15:47 <emilyrose> not for the original comments
 15:47 <emilyrose> but for refusing to stop when I made it clear I was uncomfortable
 15:47 <mdev> what about everyone else?
 15:47 <mdev> why would you ignore them
 15:47 <mdev> why not say "everyone please get off the topic"
 15:47 <mdev> that's what a reasonable, mature, op would have done
 15:47 <emilyrose> ok, we're done here 
 15:47 <mdev> that wasn't being petty
 15:48 <mdev> and targeting 1 person
 15:48 <mdev> because you could...
 15:48 <emilyrose> until you're done calling me immature and unreasonable, we have nothign further to 
                  discuss
 15:48 <emilyrose> policy
 15:48 <emilyrose>  policy*
 15:48 <emilyrose> let me know when you want to understand how to contribute to the channel in 
                  accordance with policy**
 15:48 <mdev> your ban is unreasonable and honestly I think you know that at this point
 15:49 <mdev> policy?
 15:49 <mdev> does node.js never have off topic chat? exactly.
 15:49 <mdev> and look at the logs I said clearly it was off topic my last comment on the subject in channel
 15:49 <mdev> as in I was fine with dropping it
 15:49 <mdev> you just banned cause you could
 15:50 <mdev> which i'm not even upset over, what disappoints me is after the fact you refuse to lift the ban after reviewing things. Instead you want to be petty, talk about 'teaching me a lesson' etc...it's all unecessary
 15:51 <mdev> I didn't insult you, I wasn't the only one discussing the topic, and I was happy to drop it, in fact it was already dropped, you just banned anyway
 16:02 <mdev> I already apologize to you, even though this ban was and is unreasonable
 16:02 <mdev> are you just not going to lift it?
 16:02 <mdev> so that's were on the same page
 16:07 <emilyrose> I'm not going to lift the ban until we come to an understanding on why it is reasonable
 16:07 <emilyrose> I'm not interested in hearing your opinions on why you think it was unreasonable
 16:08 <emilyrose> within the context of this channel, with the protocols we have established, it was a reasonable ban
 16:08 <emilyrose> until you can understand and acknowledge that, we have nothign to discuss
 16:09 <emilyrose> the reason I banned you was so that we could have a conversation on what is expected from participants of #node.js
 16:09 <emilyrose> not so that I can hear you endlessly ranting about how unreasonable I am in PM
 16:09 <emilyrose> it's really easy to understand how to not get banned in the future
 16:09 <emilyrose> but I'm waiting to hear you express an interest in understanding that
 16:10 <emilyrose> so far all I've gotten from you is a (seemingly intense) desire to debate the merits of my ban
 16:10 <emilyrose> which is not a conversation I'm willing to have anymore
 16:19 <mdev> well listen, I apologize once more if you feel I insulted you in any way. And you didn't have to ban me to have a conversation, a simple /pm would have worked. 
 16:21 <emilyrose> lol
 16:21 <emilyrose> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology
 16:21 <emilyrose> classic
 16:21 <emilyrose> I'm not sure how much clearer I can be here
 16:22 <mdev> well then let me be clear
 16:22 <emilyrose> you were banned because you ignored repeated requests that you stop
 16:22 <mdev> i'm not interested to cattering to any sort of "power trip" if that's what this is
 16:22 <emilyrose> I *did* have to ban you, my words weren't enough
 16:22 <mdev> you're op i'm not, this is true
 16:22 <emilyrose> the only thing that made you notice was the fact that you're not excluded from the channel
 16:22 <mdev> but honestly I apologized, I have an interest of rejoining the channel
 16:22 <mdev> either you can a)lift the ban or b) not lift it
 16:22 <mdev> either way it, it is what it is
 16:22 <emilyrose> I can understand how you could feel as though this has something to do with a 'power trip' but I can assure you I feel no sense of satisfaction with this encounter
 16:23 <emilyrose> on the contrary
 16:23 <emilyrose> this conversation is draining to me and I really which we weren't in this situation in the first place
 16:23 <emilyrose> but you chose to ignore my words and are still ignoring the heart of the issue
 16:23 <mdev> well there is no issue then, I have no problem with you personally
 16:23 <mdev> I have a problem with being banned though, once that's lifted, if that's lifted
 16:23 <emilyrose> there is still an issue
 16:24 <mdev> there's nothing more to it
 16:24 <emilyrose> several issues, really
 16:24 <emilyrose> 1) you're still trying to make this conversation about you being banned
 16:24 <mdev> I commented on your namely, harmelessly as I was suprised to see it and figured you named yourself after a famous movie actress, you got upset and kicked then banned
 16:24 <emilyrose> 2) we've still not reached an understanding as to how you participate in the channel without violating the policy
 16:24 <emilyrose> that's a terribly innacurate summary
 16:24 <mdev> I apologized and you want to prolong all this, teaching me a lesson, etc...it's really unecessary, no lesson is being taught here
 16:25 <emilyrose> I asked you repeatedly to stop
 16:25 <emilyrose> you chose to continue
 16:25 <emilyrose> I kicked you
 16:25 <emilyrose> you chose to continue
 16:25 <emilyrose> I then banned you
 16:25 <mdev> I answered others who chimed in, but ultimately was done
 16:25 <emilyrose> cool
 16:25 <emilyrose> if there's nothing to learn here then we're done
 16:25 <emilyrose> take care
 16:25 <mdev> when I saw your requests to stop
 16:26 <mdev> take care as well, and if you decide to lift the ban, feel free to let me know
 16:26 <emilyrose> not going to happen until we have a conversation about what's expected of people in #node.js
 16:26 <mdev> there's really nothing to it beyond that, i'm not an issue for the channel, I rarely even chat there so
 16:26 <emilyrose> if you rarely chat here then I suppose it's not worth discussing
 16:27 <mdev> why don't you lift the ban, then have a group conversation in #node.js about these expectations you're so set on
 16:27 <emilyrose> we would much rather keep the channel safe for the people who frequent it than risk letting it become toxic
 16:27 <mdev> that way everyone can learn
 16:27 <mdev> !
 16:27 <mdev> channel safe?
 16:27 <emilyrose> the rest of the channel (for the most part) has no problem with the expectations
 16:27 <mdev> how did I make the channel unsafe?
 16:27 <emilyrose> they're posted in the topic
 16:27 <emilyrose> you ignored my very clear indication that I was uncomfortable with what you were saying
 16:28 <mdev> I stopped, you banned after the fact
 16:28 <emilyrose> you have the logs too :)
 16:28 <emilyrose> read them again
 16:28 <mdev> check otu the logs I said it was off topic indicating I was done with it
 16:28 <mdev> would have ended even sooner but others chimed in, so that's only reason
 16:29 <emilyrose> and if our conversation had actually been about the issue, you would probably be back in the channel by now
 16:29 <emilyrose> but instead you got indignant and tried to make me feel like I was in the wrong for enforcing the channel policy
 16:29 <emilyrose> you even tried to go around me and find another op to side with you
 16:29 <emilyrose> all of that is unsafe behavior
 16:33 <mdev> unsafe really?
 16:34 <emilyrose> that's what I said, yes.
 16:34 <emilyrose> it tells me that you have disregard for others and are more concerned with your right to express offensive opinions than you are existing harmoniously in a support channel that isn't even supposed to be about horror movies.
 16:34 <mdev> who or what is being put in danger by me contacting another op on what I feel is clearly a ban that shouldn't have been set? What happen to you "encouraging" me to contact others 
 16:35 <emilyrose> it tells me that you believe you have a right to be here regardless of how others feel about it
 16:35 <mdev> does that mean then, you yourself were being unsafe?
 16:35 <mdev> unsafe behavior...
 16:35 <emilyrose> I'm sorry if that's a term you're not comfortable with
 16:35 <emilyrose> but that's how I see this situation
 16:35 <emilyrose> you are someone I wouldn't feel safe with in the same room
 16:36 <mdev> really?
 16:36 <emilyrose> really
 16:36 <mdev> like channel or actual room?
 16:36 <emilyrose> like in a physical room
 16:37 <mdev> ok, well you're clearly taking this way over board, because first of all you don't know me, as I don't know you, and to say things like you'd be unsafe with me in some room is ridiculous
 16:37 <emilyrose> you think so?
 16:37 <emilyrose> have a look at what some other people are saying
 16:37 <mdev> I know so
 16:37 <emilyrose> https://twitter.com/nexxylove/status/584080680092442624
 16:38 <emilyrose> konobi also commented on the gist as well
 16:38 <emilyrose> https://gist.github.com/emilyrose/07847ef73d931fe88ce2
 16:38 <emilyrose> he is an op that has been at this as long as I have
 16:38 <emilyrose> nobody else seems to think I'm being unreasonable or going overboard
 16:38 <emilyrose> I think your unique position puts you at a disadvantage for seeing things the way they are
 16:39 <mdev> make sure you post the full logs, not that it matters, as clearly these are your internet friends, so they're gonna side with you on everything regardless
 16:39 <emilyrose> I'm sorry if you think it's ridiculous to say that someone who demonstrates a willful disregard of my safety/comfort is someone I would feel unsafe around in the physical world
 16:40 <emilyrose> clearly
 16:40 <emilyrose> it's just because they're my internet friends
 16:40 <emilyrose> lol
 16:40 <mdev> it is
 16:40 <emilyrose> there's no way you could be wrong here
 16:40 <emilyrose> rofl
 16:40 <emilyrose> get a grip
 16:40 <mdev> and the fact you're a female
 16:40 <emilyrose> I'm "a female"?
 16:40 <emilyrose> where did you get that idea?
 16:40 <emilyrose> tell me more
 16:40 <mdev> you claim your name is "emily"
 16:41 <emilyrose> "claim"
 16:41 <emilyrose> lol
 16:41 <emilyrose> as though it's some dubious claim that requires evidence?
 16:41 <emilyrose> also, what does my name have to do with you making the assertion that I'm "a female"
 16:42 <mdev> honestly I don't care what your name is, or if you're a female, all this is beyond ridiculous at this point. The whole pettyness, the non-sense ban, the 'teach me a lesson', the attempt of trying to publically shame me, it's a joke really
 16:42 <mdev> I didn't insult you and I simply commented on a famous name that you happen to have
 16:42 <mdev> so seriously get over it and stop acting in this manner
 16:43 <mdev> oh and the "I feel unsafe" non-sense too, that was a nice one...
 16:43 <emilyrose> the fact that you think this is a joke
 16:43 <emilyrose> makes it overwhelmingly clear that the ban is permanent
 16:43 <emilyrose> take care
 16:44 <mdev> it is a joke, you're clearly bored or something, no adult would act like this over nothing
 16:44 <mdev> make it permante them, you're completely out of line as is and IMHO should not be an op at all
	15:21 < mdev> that nick of yours :(
	15:21 < mdev> I heard audio tapes of her, incredibly disturbing and sad
	15:21 <@emilyrose> mdev: what?
	15:22 < mdev> of emily rose
	15:22 <@emilyrose> not me
	15:22 <@emilyrose> this isn't a 'nickname', it's my real name
	15:23 < mdev> she was a woman that was possessed and starved herself to death, defecated everywhere,
	and who ultimately died, there's real life audio of her online, is very disturbing,
	doesn't sound like a woman at all...there's been movies made about her
	15:24 <@emilyrose> mdev: you're making me uncomfortable right now
	15:24 <@emilyrose> mdev: can you find somewhere else to talk about that please?
	15:25 < mdev> figured that's what your nick was from
	15:25 < harbhub> to be fair, your name made them uncomfortable first
	15:25 < breakingthings> that character is fictional, mdev
	15:25 < harbhub> let's call it even
	15:26 <@emilyrose> harbhub: this is my name
	15:26 < mdev> definitely not fictional, was a real woman, again her audio tapes are online, you can
	find real life pics of her too in her last days, those are incredibly disturbing too
	15:26 < gkatsev> i... uh... what emilyrose said. Let's talk about something else.
	15:26 < mdev> hopefully that poor womans in Heaven now
	15:26 < breakingthings> mdev: No, the "Emily Rose" character is fictional, created for the horror
	movie.
	15:26 <@emilyrose> mdev: how many more times should I ask you to stop before it would be reasonable
	to expect you to?
	15:27 <@emilyrose> I deserve to be able to chat without people making disturbing commentary on my
	name
	15:27 < mdev> breaking 2 seconds of research show she's not at all fictional...but is fine, is off
	topic
	15:27 < mdev> question: was I the only one kicked just now?
	15:29 < matthewt> yep
	15:29 < mdev> that's what I thought...I was simply responding to him, the conversation was over a
	long time ago really. Just because you have the ability to abuse, doesn't mean you
	should
	15:29 < mdev> there was many others conversing and 100% you ignored them and targeted me...
	15:30 < breakingthings> nobody else was comparing her name to a disturbing charicature.
	15:30 < breakingthings> :/
	15:30 <@emilyrose> mdev: you are the only one being problematic right now. It's not abuse to kick
	you from the channel after asking you 3 times to stop.
	15:30 < Mikul_> I am installing NVM but when I restart terminal then it give error "-bash: nvm:
	command not found"
	15:30 < GreenJello> b> for(var i=0;i<1e4;i++)process.stdout.write('blah ')
	15:30 < babelbot> GreenJello: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
	blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
	blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
	blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
	blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…
	15:31 < breakingthings> 10/10
	15:31 < breakingthings> would blah again
	15:31 < GreenJello> mikul_, there's a line you need to put in you bash profile
	15:31 < mdev> i'm being problematic? Ok, let's ignore everyone and target me, then justify your
	abuse with it's all my fault
	15:31 -!- mode/#Node.js [+b !mdev@unaffiliated/mdev] by emilyrose
	15:31 -!- mdev was kicked from #Node.js by emilyrose [mdev]
	15:31 -!- trigoman [[email protected]] has joined #Node.js
	15:32 <@emilyrose> sounds good
	15:28 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with mdev
	15:31 <emilyrose> it really shouldn't be this difficult to get you to stop making offensive
	commentary on my name
	15:32 <mdev> why do you continue to abuse your status
	15:32 <emilyrose> let me explain this to you clearly
	15:32 <mdev> did the individuals who gave you op know you act in this manner?
	15:32 <emilyrose> I asked you nicely 3 times to stop with the disturbing comparison of me to a
	fictional character
	15:32 <emilyrose> you refused
	15:32 <mdev> would they appreciate you treating users in this way?
	15:32 <emilyrose> I kicked you
	15:32 <emilyrose> and now you are continuing still
	15:32 <mdev> it's not a fictonal character
	15:32 <mdev> https://www.google.com/#q=Anneliese+Michel
	15:32 <mdev> that's who she is
	15:33 <mdev> and I was done with the conversation, others chimed in/asked questions
	15:33 <emilyrose> I'm done talking to you
	15:33 <emilyrose> if you have an issue with your ban, take it up with other ops
	15:33 <mdev> that's fine, also be done abusing your status
	15:33 <emilyrose> I'll be sure to provide them with a log of the incident
	15:33 <mdev> lol at ban
	15:33 <emilyrose> it's not abuse to moderate the channel in accordance with the channel policy
	15:33 <emilyrose> nice try though
	15:33 <mdev> you really need to remove it, i'll let the abuse go
	15:33 <mdev> but if you don't remove it
	15:33 <emilyrose> not a chance
	15:33 <emilyrose> have a good day
	15:33 <mdev> other ops are being contacted
	15:34 <mdev> ok, your choice
	15:34 <emilyrose> I already invited you to message other ops
	15:34 <emilyrose> take care
	15:34 <mdev> I don;t need your invitation, you're in the wrong here and you know it
	15:34 <mdev> whether they correct your wrong is of no importance, you're who's doing it, and should
	instead do the right thing
	15:38 <mdev> founders been contacted...I think there's a good chance he'll be reasonable, as he was
	kind enough to help me about a half hour ago on a node issue. Honestly though
	regardless if he lifts the ban or not, you really need to not be an op anymore until
	you can treat people right IMHO.
	15:40 <emilyrose> 1) it's my decision whether to lift the ban
	15:40 <emilyrose> 2) you are the one who needs to learn how to treat people right. I respectfully
	asked you several times to stop. You refused. This is your lesson.
	15:41 <emilyrose> you're going to have to work it out with me if you want to get back into #node.js
	15:41 <emilyrose> not try to go over my head
	15:41 <emilyrose> sorry
	15:42 <mdev> well the logs are available, these and the channels, if tjfontaine reasonable he'll
	remove your ban and teach you a "lesson" about not abusing. I was in no violation, I
	ended the conversation happily when you asked and would have even earlier if people
	didn't ask questions/comment on it
	15:42 <mdev> those same people you ignore entirely and focus on me
	15:42 <emilyrose> those people weren't saying distubing things
	15:42 <emilyrose> you were
	15:42 <mdev> ...
	15:42 <emilyrose> so yes, I focused on you
	15:42 <emilyrose> and again
	15:42 <emilyrose> he will not remove the ban
	15:42 <emilyrose> if anyone does, it will be me
	15:42 <emilyrose> this is a channel policy
	15:42 <emilyrose> lol
	15:42 <mdev> you can try and justify the ban but you know full well it shouldn't have been set
	15:43 <mdev> just because you're permitted apparently to abuse doesn'tmean you should
	15:43 <emilyrose> I know full and well that I set the ban justly
	15:43 <emilyrose> so if you want to pretend you know my thoughts better than I do we can stop right
	now
	15:43 <mdev> if shoe were on the other foot you wouldn't want people banning you and laughing
	because they're convince other ops won't do anything
	15:43 <emilyrose> because I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who thinks they're better
	than me
	15:43 <emilyrose> I'm not laughing
	15:43 <mdev> "better than you"...sigh i'm not better than anyone
	15:43 <emilyrose> I'm actually quite distressed by the fact that you feel you have the right to make
	commentary on my name in a public channel regardless of my repeated attempts to
	ask you to stop
	15:44 <emilyrose> then stop acting like you know what I'm thinking
	15:44 <mdev> but I also wouldn't be banning people like you for invalid reasons and laughing and
	being completely unreasonable
	15:44 <emilyrose> listen to me
	15:44 <emilyrose> 1) I'm not laughing
	15:44 <emilyrose> 2) I'm not being unreasonable
	15:44 <emilyrose> 3) my reason for ban was completely valid
	15:44 <emilyrose> I'm sorry if that's difficult for you to reason with, but until we can agree on
	those things, there's not much I can say
	15:44 <emilyrose> I'm happy to discuss how you can get back into the channel if you like
	15:45 <mdev> well look, I apologize if you took offense, you have a famous name, the comment the
	proceeded yours that said you found it offense agreed with me, the ban wasn't needed,
	the conversation was long over
	15:45 <emilyrose> but if you're going to insist on debating the justifications around your ban then
	there's not much to discuss
	15:45 <mdev> I wasn't aware that emily rose herself was fictional is after a real person but the
	real persons name is different
	15:45 <emilyrose> the ban is needed until we have an understanding on what is expected from people
	in #node.js
	15:45 <emilyrose> mdev I am a real person
	15:45 <emilyrose> a real person with the name Emily Rose
	15:45 <emilyrose> do you not understand that?
	15:46 <mdev> that you decided to broadcast on irc...a public medium
	15:46 <mdev> then get upset if someone comments on it
	15:46 <emilyrose> so that means you have the right to make disturbing commentary on it in a
	community support channel?
	15:46 <emilyrose> I don't think so
	15:46 <mdev> if your name was billgates and I said something about billgates
	15:46 <emilyrose> my name is not an invitation for you to make offensive remarks
	15:46 <mdev> see what I mean that's incredibly petty
	15:47 <emilyrose> it's also not justification for you to continue your commentary after I ask you to
	stop
	15:47 <mdev> I didn't say anything insulting was just explaining who she was
	15:47 <emilyrose> and that is why you were banned
	15:47 <emilyrose> not for the original comments
	15:47 <emilyrose> but for refusing to stop when I made it clear I was uncomfortable
	15:47 <mdev> what about everyone else?
	15:47 <mdev> why would you ignore them
	15:47 <mdev> why not say "everyone please get off the topic"
	15:47 <mdev> that's what a reasonable, mature, op would have done
	15:47 <emilyrose> ok, we're done here
	15:47 <mdev> that wasn't being petty
	15:48 <mdev> and targeting 1 person
	15:48 <mdev> because you could...
	15:48 <emilyrose> until you're done calling me immature and unreasonable, we have nothign further to
	discuss
	15:48 <emilyrose> policy
	15:48 <emilyrose> policy*
	15:48 <emilyrose> let me know when you want to understand how to contribute to the channel in
	accordance with policy**
	15:48 <mdev> your ban is unreasonable and honestly I think you know that at this point
	15:49 <mdev> policy?
	15:49 <mdev> does node.js never have off topic chat? exactly.
	15:49 <mdev> and look at the logs I said clearly it was off topic my last comment on the subject in channel
	15:49 <mdev> as in I was fine with dropping it
	15:49 <mdev> you just banned cause you could
	15:50 <mdev> which i'm not even upset over, what disappoints me is after the fact you refuse to lift the ban after reviewing things. Instead you want to be petty, talk about 'teaching me a lesson' etc...it's all unecessary
	15:51 <mdev> I didn't insult you, I wasn't the only one discussing the topic, and I was happy to drop it, in fact it was already dropped, you just banned anyway
	16:02 <mdev> I already apologize to you, even though this ban was and is unreasonable
	16:02 <mdev> are you just not going to lift it?
	16:02 <mdev> so that's were on the same page
	16:07 <emilyrose> I'm not going to lift the ban until we come to an understanding on why it is reasonable
	16:07 <emilyrose> I'm not interested in hearing your opinions on why you think it was unreasonable
	16:08 <emilyrose> within the context of this channel, with the protocols we have established, it was a reasonable ban
	16:08 <emilyrose> until you can understand and acknowledge that, we have nothign to discuss
	16:09 <emilyrose> the reason I banned you was so that we could have a conversation on what is expected from participants of #node.js
	16:09 <emilyrose> not so that I can hear you endlessly ranting about how unreasonable I am in PM
	16:09 <emilyrose> it's really easy to understand how to not get banned in the future
	16:09 <emilyrose> but I'm waiting to hear you express an interest in understanding that
	16:10 <emilyrose> so far all I've gotten from you is a (seemingly intense) desire to debate the merits of my ban
	16:10 <emilyrose> which is not a conversation I'm willing to have anymore
	16:19 <mdev> well listen, I apologize once more if you feel I insulted you in any way. And you didn't have to ban me to have a conversation, a simple /pm would have worked.
	16:21 <emilyrose> lol
	16:21 <emilyrose> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology
	16:21 <emilyrose> classic
	16:21 <emilyrose> I'm not sure how much clearer I can be here
	16:22 <mdev> well then let me be clear
	16:22 <emilyrose> you were banned because you ignored repeated requests that you stop
	16:22 <mdev> i'm not interested to cattering to any sort of "power trip" if that's what this is
	16:22 <emilyrose> I did have to ban you, my words weren't enough
	16:22 <mdev> you're op i'm not, this is true
	16:22 <emilyrose> the only thing that made you notice was the fact that you're not excluded from the channel
	16:22 <mdev> but honestly I apologized, I have an interest of rejoining the channel
	16:22 <mdev> either you can a)lift the ban or b) not lift it
	16:22 <mdev> either way it, it is what it is
	16:22 <emilyrose> I can understand how you could feel as though this has something to do with a 'power trip' but I can assure you I feel no sense of satisfaction with this encounter
	16:23 <emilyrose> on the contrary
	16:23 <emilyrose> this conversation is draining to me and I really which we weren't in this situation in the first place
	16:23 <emilyrose> but you chose to ignore my words and are still ignoring the heart of the issue
	16:23 <mdev> well there is no issue then, I have no problem with you personally
	16:23 <mdev> I have a problem with being banned though, once that's lifted, if that's lifted
	16:23 <emilyrose> there is still an issue
	16:24 <mdev> there's nothing more to it
	16:24 <emilyrose> several issues, really
	16:24 <emilyrose> 1) you're still trying to make this conversation about you being banned
	16:24 <mdev> I commented on your namely, harmelessly as I was suprised to see it and figured you named yourself after a famous movie actress, you got upset and kicked then banned
	16:24 <emilyrose> 2) we've still not reached an understanding as to how you participate in the channel without violating the policy
	16:24 <emilyrose> that's a terribly innacurate summary
	16:24 <mdev> I apologized and you want to prolong all this, teaching me a lesson, etc...it's really unecessary, no lesson is being taught here
	16:25 <emilyrose> I asked you repeatedly to stop
	16:25 <emilyrose> you chose to continue
	16:25 <emilyrose> I kicked you
	16:25 <emilyrose> you chose to continue
	16:25 <emilyrose> I then banned you
	16:25 <mdev> I answered others who chimed in, but ultimately was done
	16:25 <emilyrose> cool
	16:25 <emilyrose> if there's nothing to learn here then we're done
	16:25 <emilyrose> take care
	16:25 <mdev> when I saw your requests to stop
	16:26 <mdev> take care as well, and if you decide to lift the ban, feel free to let me know
	16:26 <emilyrose> not going to happen until we have a conversation about what's expected of people in #node.js
	16:26 <mdev> there's really nothing to it beyond that, i'm not an issue for the channel, I rarely even chat there so
	16:26 <emilyrose> if you rarely chat here then I suppose it's not worth discussing
	16:27 <mdev> why don't you lift the ban, then have a group conversation in #node.js about these expectations you're so set on
	16:27 <emilyrose> we would much rather keep the channel safe for the people who frequent it than risk letting it become toxic
	16:27 <mdev> that way everyone can learn
	16:27 <mdev> !
	16:27 <mdev> channel safe?
	16:27 <emilyrose> the rest of the channel (for the most part) has no problem with the expectations
	16:27 <mdev> how did I make the channel unsafe?
	16:27 <emilyrose> they're posted in the topic
	16:27 <emilyrose> you ignored my very clear indication that I was uncomfortable with what you were saying
	16:28 <mdev> I stopped, you banned after the fact
	16:28 <emilyrose> you have the logs too :)
	16:28 <emilyrose> read them again
	16:28 <mdev> check otu the logs I said it was off topic indicating I was done with it
	16:28 <mdev> would have ended even sooner but others chimed in, so that's only reason
	16:29 <emilyrose> and if our conversation had actually been about the issue, you would probably be back in the channel by now
	16:29 <emilyrose> but instead you got indignant and tried to make me feel like I was in the wrong for enforcing the channel policy
	16:29 <emilyrose> you even tried to go around me and find another op to side with you
	16:29 <emilyrose> all of that is unsafe behavior
	16:33 <mdev> unsafe really?
	16:34 <emilyrose> that's what I said, yes.
	16:34 <emilyrose> it tells me that you have disregard for others and are more concerned with your right to express offensive opinions than you are existing harmoniously in a support channel that isn't even supposed to be about horror movies.
	16:34 <mdev> who or what is being put in danger by me contacting another op on what I feel is clearly a ban that shouldn't have been set? What happen to you "encouraging" me to contact others
	16:35 <emilyrose> it tells me that you believe you have a right to be here regardless of how others feel about it
	16:35 <mdev> does that mean then, you yourself were being unsafe?
	16:35 <mdev> unsafe behavior...
	16:35 <emilyrose> I'm sorry if that's a term you're not comfortable with
	16:35 <emilyrose> but that's how I see this situation
	16:35 <emilyrose> you are someone I wouldn't feel safe with in the same room
	16:36 <mdev> really?
	16:36 <emilyrose> really
	16:36 <mdev> like channel or actual room?
	16:36 <emilyrose> like in a physical room
	16:37 <mdev> ok, well you're clearly taking this way over board, because first of all you don't know me, as I don't know you, and to say things like you'd be unsafe with me in some room is ridiculous
	16:37 <emilyrose> you think so?
	16:37 <emilyrose> have a look at what some other people are saying
	16:37 <mdev> I know so
	16:37 <emilyrose> https://twitter.com/nexxylove/status/584080680092442624
	16:38 <emilyrose> konobi also commented on the gist as well
	16:38 <emilyrose> https://gist.github.com/emilyrose/07847ef73d931fe88ce2
	16:38 <emilyrose> he is an op that has been at this as long as I have
	16:38 <emilyrose> nobody else seems to think I'm being unreasonable or going overboard
	16:38 <emilyrose> I think your unique position puts you at a disadvantage for seeing things the way they are
	16:39 <mdev> make sure you post the full logs, not that it matters, as clearly these are your internet friends, so they're gonna side with you on everything regardless
	16:39 <emilyrose> I'm sorry if you think it's ridiculous to say that someone who demonstrates a willful disregard of my safety/comfort is someone I would feel unsafe around in the physical world
	16:40 <emilyrose> clearly
	16:40 <emilyrose> it's just because they're my internet friends
	16:40 <emilyrose> lol
	16:40 <mdev> it is
	16:40 <emilyrose> there's no way you could be wrong here
	16:40 <emilyrose> rofl
	16:40 <emilyrose> get a grip
	16:40 <mdev> and the fact you're a female
	16:40 <emilyrose> I'm "a female"?
	16:40 <emilyrose> where did you get that idea?
	16:40 <emilyrose> tell me more
	16:40 <mdev> you claim your name is "emily"
	16:41 <emilyrose> "claim"
	16:41 <emilyrose> lol
	16:41 <emilyrose> as though it's some dubious claim that requires evidence?
	16:41 <emilyrose> also, what does my name have to do with you making the assertion that I'm "a female"
	16:42 <mdev> honestly I don't care what your name is, or if you're a female, all this is beyond ridiculous at this point. The whole pettyness, the non-sense ban, the 'teach me a lesson', the attempt of trying to publically shame me, it's a joke really
	16:42 <mdev> I didn't insult you and I simply commented on a famous name that you happen to have
	16:42 <mdev> so seriously get over it and stop acting in this manner
	16:43 <mdev> oh and the "I feel unsafe" non-sense too, that was a nice one...
	16:43 <emilyrose> the fact that you think this is a joke
	16:43 <emilyrose> makes it overwhelmingly clear that the ban is permanent
	16:43 <emilyrose> take care
	16:44 <mdev> it is a joke, you're clearly bored or something, no adult would act like this over nothing
	16:44 <mdev> make it permante them, you're completely out of line as is and IMHO should not be an op at all