aaronpearce · May 21, 2011 23:35
diff --git a/kouiskas log b/kouiskas log
 11:40:31 PM	<kouiskas>	yes, have been for almost 2 years
 11:40:41 PM	<Pickley>	Cool
 11:40:47 PM	* Pickley	is disliking DiFi a lot so far.
 11:41:24 PM	<kouiskas>	DiFi was never meant for 3rd party use  that's why there's no documentation for it
 11:41:36 PM	<Pickley>	Oh we have docs.
 11:41:43 PM	<Pickley>	Just with tiny gaps
 11:42:07 PM	<Pickley>	kouiskas: Is it possible to add into the get_folders call a thing that signifies if a folder is a group or not
 11:42:40 PM	<Pickley>	kouiskas: Until a full API is out, including reading of resources and messages with responses we still have to use DiFi
 11:42:47 PM	<kouiskas>	to DiFi? sorry we're not taking requests for DiFi
 11:42:50 PM	<kouiskas>	the API is separate
 11:42:52 PM	<Pickley>	Yeah
 11:43:06 PM	<Pickley>	Can the basics of DiFi be ported then?
 11:43:16 PM	<Pickley>	Because DiFi has a lot of what we need
 11:43:33 PM	<Pickley>	Great to see an actual dA developer in here too 
 11:43:44 PM	<kouiskas>	some of it will, I've written a wrapper for DiFi methods to be accessible through the API, but I will have to review each call one by one and discuss it in dT before we make each one available
 11:43:54 PM	<Pickley>	kouiskas: Awesome
 11:44:19 PM	<kouiskas>	each API call we create, we have to support pretty much forever, so it requires internal discussions
 11:44:30 PM	<Pickley>	kouiskas: Oh yeah, is it possible to get an API call for bots etc to get their authtokens?
 11:44:50 PM	<kouiskas>	you mean the cookie authtokens?
 11:45:06 PM	<Pickley>	No the ones embedded in the dAmn page
 11:45:14 PM	<Pickley>	the cookie authtokens do nothing for dAmn 
 11:45:29 PM	<kouiskas>	I'm not familiar with the dAmn code enough to give you an answer
 11:45:36 PM	<Pickley>	Ah yup
 11:45:38 PM	<kouiskas>	I'll have to ask someone who knows
 11:45:52 PM	<Pickley>	Its not hard to scrape out now, jsut a bit of a pain
 11:46:02 PM	<Pickley>	Nice to see work being done on an API?
 11:46:11 PM	<Pickley>	not a ? you stupid keyboard.
 11:46:23 PM	<kouiskas>	the focus of this API launch is submission, everything else will be added as we go
 11:46:44 PM	<kouiskas>	most likely we'll start by porting DiFi calls to the API
 11:46:44 PM	<Pickley>	 Thought so
 11:46:53 PM	<Pickley>	DiFi calls would be a great start
 11:47:16 PM	<Pickley>	Would it be possible to get the developer community, such as this chat and #botdom involved in the development of the APIs?
 11:47:26 PM	<Pickley>	As I bet some of us have ideas we would love to see
 11:48:34 PM	<Pickley>	-about
 11:48:34 PM	<dAmnMobot>	dAmnMobile 1.0.1 for iOS devices, created by Aaron Pearce/=Pickley.
 11:48:47 PM	<kouiskas>	yes we'll probably do that in the form of blog posts on dT or in a mailing list
 11:49:02 PM	<Pickley>	kouiskas: It could be done in system like devbug is done?
 11:49:39 PM	<kouiskas>	I don't think anyone in dT would have time to take care of that
 11:49:47 PM	<Pickley>	Yeah true
 11:49:55 PM	<Pickley>	Anything would be great
 11:50:09 PM	<Pickley>	Even just having you guys come into this chat and talk to us more would be epic
 11:50:17 PM	<kouiskas>	it's a matter of bandwidth, I've been writing the API so I'll be the point of contact with developers for a while
 11:50:33 PM	<Pickley>	Ah nice
 11:50:36 PM	<kouiskas>	but the expectation is that I spend my time programming, not liaising with 3rd party developers permanently
 11:50:45 PM	<Pickley>	Thats true
 11:50:58 PM	<Pickley>	Either way just a nice way to suggest ideas for it later on would be great
 11:51:00 PM	<kouiskas>	so that can't go on forever, i guess if there's a big demand we might staff this like martin is taking care of devbug
 11:51:17 PM	<Pickley>	Could potentially be a small form on the developers page on dA
 11:51:24 PM	<Pickley>	-system
 11:51:24 PM	<dAmnMobot>	dAmnMobile 1.0.1 on iPod Touch 4G running iOS 4.3.1.
 11:51:52 PM	<kouiskas>	oh yeah I could see that happening, I'm all for it, I'm just not the one calling the shots in terms of resource assignment
 11:52:03 PM	<Pickley>	Yeah 
 11:52:25 PM	<kouiskas>	I might be told in a month to move on from the API and work on something else entirely, I don't know
 11:52:28 PM	<Pickley>	Like when we asked for more developer interaction before, we just got told to go to devbug.
 11:52:33 PM	<Pickley>	Which was kinda pointless
 11:53:20 PM	<kouiskas>	I guess there will be more interest in developing the APIs when the first cool apps making use of what we've made available come out
 11:53:37 PM	<Pickley>	Well I'm attempting to build a mobile dA for iOS now
 11:53:39 PM	<Pickley>	using DiFi
 11:53:51 PM	<Pickley>	and for now it will still be based around those calls
 11:54:17 PM	<Pickley>	Just because its easier than doing page scraping myself
 11:54:21 PM	<kouiskas>	yes but for instance instead of relying on manual form posting on a page, you could use this new API for submission from iOS
 11:54:33 PM	<Pickley>	True 
 11:54:34 PM	<kouiskas>	so your app would be hybrid, half cookie/DiFI, half proper API
 11:54:39 PM	<Pickley>	Yeah
 11:55:12 PM	<Pickley>	Still needing to port dAmnMobile to Android
 11:55:18 PM	<kouiskas>	we'll be releasing the code for a desktop OS X client, so the submission code should be straightforward to port from it
 11:55:23 PM	<Pickley>	Really?
 11:55:25 PM	<Pickley>	Nice...
 11:55:35 PM	<Pickley>	Wasn't expecting that at all
 11:55:45 PM	<kouiskas>	there's also an android uploader
 11:55:49 PM	<kouiskas>	same, we'll open source it
 11:55:51 PM	<Pickley>	Yeah I saw that
 11:56:02 PM	<Pickley>	Is it the iPhoto plugin thing?
 11:56:08 PM	<Pickley>	for OSX
 11:56:09 PM	<kouiskas>	no, that's yet another one 
 11:56:15 PM	<Pickley>	Ah even cooler
 11:56:27 PM	<Pickley>	So the OSX client will have more API calls?
 11:56:27 PM	<kouiskas>	I wrote the iPhoto plugin and the desktop uploader, $knightar wrote the android uploader
 11:56:40 PM	<Pickley>	Cool
 11:56:43 PM	<kouiskas>	they're all using the standard API calls shown on the developers page
 11:57:10 PM	<Pickley>	So just oEmbed and oAuth stuff?
 11:57:14 PM	<kouiskas>	yes
 11:57:33 PM	<kouiskas>	OAuth2 + Stash API
 11:57:42 PM	<Pickley>	Ah yup
 11:57:53 PM	<Pickley>	Still have to get around to opensourcing dAmnMobile
 11:58:53 PM	<Pickley>	So would apply for a job at dA but just haven't got the experience to be honest
 11:59:24 PM	<kouiskas>	just send your CV, we don't hold gripes, you can reapply 6 months later if you didn't make it this time
 11:59:56 PM	<Pickley>	So you don'tactually have to apply through the careers page?
 12:00:10 AM	<kouiskas>	yes you do, but that's just sending your CV + cover letter
 12:00:13 AM	<Pickley>	Most of my experience is just small stuff to be honest anyway
 12:00:15 AM	<Pickley>	Ahh yup
 12:00:39 AM	<Pickley>	Music Player web app was the last major web thing I've done for a bit
 12:00:45 AM	<kouiskas>	don't be shy, just send it  our criterias are not necesseraly mathematical, and community involvment is always a plus
 12:00:55 AM	<Pickley>	Ah yup 
 12:01:32 AM	<Pickley>	 [link]	 <= the crappy music player lol
 12:01:43 AM	<Pickley>	Based on PHP and JS with MYSQL
 12:01:47 AM	<kouiskas>	speaking of community involvment, something we've deliberately left open so far (and I've actually resisted the idea of making our own) is a windows client
 12:01:48 AM	<Pickley>	really quite basic
 12:02:05 AM	<kouiskas>	so there's potential to be a hero there, if anyone in the developer community wants to write one
 12:02:07 AM	<Pickley>	I don't run Windows but I might suggest it to someone 
 12:02:28 AM	<Pickley>	I'm sure someone will 
 12:02:55 AM	<kouiskas>	if it's not picked up by someone we'll end up writing our own I think, because windows is still 85% of dA users, but I think it would be a shame to release an API and to cover most platforms ourselves
 12:02:59 AM	<Pickley>	
 12:03:13 AM	<Pickley>	I'll try to find someone to do it 
 12:03:18 AM	<Pickley>	Someone should do I think
 12:04:00 AM	<Pickley>	Would you even consider employing someone straight out of high school, thats mainly done freelance work on small scale stuff and just the one mobile app?
 12:04:39 AM	<kouiskas>	depends on how long you've been freelancing
 12:04:49 AM	<Pickley>	Not long and not really properly
 12:04:52 AM	<Pickley>	just on and off
 12:05:03 AM	<Pickley>	probably about 5 projects in all i think
 12:05:06 AM	<Pickley>	and small ones lmao
 12:05:13 AM	<kouiskas>	since we all work remotely there's little room for training people on the core skills (PHP/JS) so we need people who can hit the ground running
 12:05:21 AM	<Pickley>	Yeah
 12:05:23 AM	<kouiskas>	we have a PHP+JS exercise during the recruitment process to check that
 12:05:33 AM	<Pickley>	I know PHP reasonably, JS not so much
 12:05:39 AM	<kouiskas>	but you know, some people learn a lot on their own and others spend 10 years working in the industry and still suck
 12:05:39 AM	<Pickley>	But I pick up quick lol
 12:05:50 AM	<Pickley>	dAmnMobile was written in about 120 hours
 12:05:54 AM	<Pickley>	with no knowledge of Obj-C
 12:06:15 AM	<Pickley>	-uptime
 12:06:15 AM	<dAmnMobot>	Uptime: 1066 seconds
	11:40:31 PM <kouiskas> yes, have been for almost 2 years
	11:40:41 PM <Pickley> Cool
	11:40:47 PM * Pickley is disliking DiFi a lot so far.
	11:41:24 PM <kouiskas> DiFi was never meant for 3rd party use that's why there's no documentation for it
	11:41:36 PM <Pickley> Oh we have docs.
	11:41:43 PM <Pickley> Just with tiny gaps
	11:42:07 PM <Pickley> kouiskas: Is it possible to add into the get_folders call a thing that signifies if a folder is a group or not
	11:42:40 PM <Pickley> kouiskas: Until a full API is out, including reading of resources and messages with responses we still have to use DiFi
	11:42:47 PM <kouiskas> to DiFi? sorry we're not taking requests for DiFi
	11:42:50 PM <kouiskas> the API is separate
	11:42:52 PM <Pickley> Yeah
	11:43:06 PM <Pickley> Can the basics of DiFi be ported then?
	11:43:16 PM <Pickley> Because DiFi has a lot of what we need
	11:43:33 PM <Pickley> Great to see an actual dA developer in here too
	11:43:44 PM <kouiskas> some of it will, I've written a wrapper for DiFi methods to be accessible through the API, but I will have to review each call one by one and discuss it in dT before we make each one available
	11:43:54 PM <Pickley> kouiskas: Awesome
	11:44:19 PM <kouiskas> each API call we create, we have to support pretty much forever, so it requires internal discussions
	11:44:30 PM <Pickley> kouiskas: Oh yeah, is it possible to get an API call for bots etc to get their authtokens?
	11:44:50 PM <kouiskas> you mean the cookie authtokens?
	11:45:06 PM <Pickley> No the ones embedded in the dAmn page
	11:45:14 PM <Pickley> the cookie authtokens do nothing for dAmn
	11:45:29 PM <kouiskas> I'm not familiar with the dAmn code enough to give you an answer
	11:45:36 PM <Pickley> Ah yup
	11:45:38 PM <kouiskas> I'll have to ask someone who knows
	11:45:52 PM <Pickley> Its not hard to scrape out now, jsut a bit of a pain
	11:46:02 PM <Pickley> Nice to see work being done on an API?
	11:46:11 PM <Pickley> not a ? you stupid keyboard.
	11:46:23 PM <kouiskas> the focus of this API launch is submission, everything else will be added as we go
	11:46:44 PM <kouiskas> most likely we'll start by porting DiFi calls to the API
	11:46:44 PM <Pickley> Thought so
	11:46:53 PM <Pickley> DiFi calls would be a great start
	11:47:16 PM <Pickley> Would it be possible to get the developer community, such as this chat and #botdom involved in the development of the APIs?
	11:47:26 PM <Pickley> As I bet some of us have ideas we would love to see
	11:48:34 PM <Pickley> -about
	11:48:34 PM <dAmnMobot> dAmnMobile 1.0.1 for iOS devices, created by Aaron Pearce/=Pickley.
	11:48:47 PM <kouiskas> yes we'll probably do that in the form of blog posts on dT or in a mailing list
	11:49:02 PM <Pickley> kouiskas: It could be done in system like devbug is done?
	11:49:39 PM <kouiskas> I don't think anyone in dT would have time to take care of that
	11:49:47 PM <Pickley> Yeah true
	11:49:55 PM <Pickley> Anything would be great
	11:50:09 PM <Pickley> Even just having you guys come into this chat and talk to us more would be epic
	11:50:17 PM <kouiskas> it's a matter of bandwidth, I've been writing the API so I'll be the point of contact with developers for a while
	11:50:33 PM <Pickley> Ah nice
	11:50:36 PM <kouiskas> but the expectation is that I spend my time programming, not liaising with 3rd party developers permanently
	11:50:45 PM <Pickley> Thats true
	11:50:58 PM <Pickley> Either way just a nice way to suggest ideas for it later on would be great
	11:51:00 PM <kouiskas> so that can't go on forever, i guess if there's a big demand we might staff this like martin is taking care of devbug
	11:51:17 PM <Pickley> Could potentially be a small form on the developers page on dA
	11:51:24 PM <Pickley> -system
	11:51:24 PM <dAmnMobot> dAmnMobile 1.0.1 on iPod Touch 4G running iOS 4.3.1.
	11:51:52 PM <kouiskas> oh yeah I could see that happening, I'm all for it, I'm just not the one calling the shots in terms of resource assignment
	11:52:03 PM <Pickley> Yeah
	11:52:25 PM <kouiskas> I might be told in a month to move on from the API and work on something else entirely, I don't know
	11:52:28 PM <Pickley> Like when we asked for more developer interaction before, we just got told to go to devbug.
	11:52:33 PM <Pickley> Which was kinda pointless
	11:53:20 PM <kouiskas> I guess there will be more interest in developing the APIs when the first cool apps making use of what we've made available come out
	11:53:37 PM <Pickley> Well I'm attempting to build a mobile dA for iOS now
	11:53:39 PM <Pickley> using DiFi
	11:53:51 PM <Pickley> and for now it will still be based around those calls
	11:54:17 PM <Pickley> Just because its easier than doing page scraping myself
	11:54:21 PM <kouiskas> yes but for instance instead of relying on manual form posting on a page, you could use this new API for submission from iOS
	11:54:33 PM <Pickley> True
	11:54:34 PM <kouiskas> so your app would be hybrid, half cookie/DiFI, half proper API
	11:54:39 PM <Pickley> Yeah
	11:55:12 PM <Pickley> Still needing to port dAmnMobile to Android
	11:55:18 PM <kouiskas> we'll be releasing the code for a desktop OS X client, so the submission code should be straightforward to port from it
	11:55:23 PM <Pickley> Really?
	11:55:25 PM <Pickley> Nice...
	11:55:35 PM <Pickley> Wasn't expecting that at all
	11:55:45 PM <kouiskas> there's also an android uploader
	11:55:49 PM <kouiskas> same, we'll open source it
	11:55:51 PM <Pickley> Yeah I saw that
	11:56:02 PM <Pickley> Is it the iPhoto plugin thing?
	11:56:08 PM <Pickley> for OSX
	11:56:09 PM <kouiskas> no, that's yet another one
	11:56:15 PM <Pickley> Ah even cooler
	11:56:27 PM <Pickley> So the OSX client will have more API calls?
	11:56:27 PM <kouiskas> I wrote the iPhoto plugin and the desktop uploader, $knightar wrote the android uploader
	11:56:40 PM <Pickley> Cool
	11:56:43 PM <kouiskas> they're all using the standard API calls shown on the developers page
	11:57:10 PM <Pickley> So just oEmbed and oAuth stuff?
	11:57:14 PM <kouiskas> yes
	11:57:33 PM <kouiskas> OAuth2 + Stash API
	11:57:42 PM <Pickley> Ah yup
	11:57:53 PM <Pickley> Still have to get around to opensourcing dAmnMobile
	11:58:53 PM <Pickley> So would apply for a job at dA but just haven't got the experience to be honest
	11:59:24 PM <kouiskas> just send your CV, we don't hold gripes, you can reapply 6 months later if you didn't make it this time
	11:59:56 PM <Pickley> So you don'tactually have to apply through the careers page?
	12:00:10 AM <kouiskas> yes you do, but that's just sending your CV + cover letter
	12:00:13 AM <Pickley> Most of my experience is just small stuff to be honest anyway
	12:00:15 AM <Pickley> Ahh yup
	12:00:39 AM <Pickley> Music Player web app was the last major web thing I've done for a bit
	12:00:45 AM <kouiskas> don't be shy, just send it our criterias are not necesseraly mathematical, and community involvment is always a plus
	12:00:55 AM <Pickley> Ah yup
	12:01:32 AM <Pickley> [link] <= the crappy music player lol
	12:01:43 AM <Pickley> Based on PHP and JS with MYSQL
	12:01:47 AM <kouiskas> speaking of community involvment, something we've deliberately left open so far (and I've actually resisted the idea of making our own) is a windows client
	12:01:48 AM <Pickley> really quite basic
	12:02:05 AM <kouiskas> so there's potential to be a hero there, if anyone in the developer community wants to write one
	12:02:07 AM <Pickley> I don't run Windows but I might suggest it to someone
	12:02:28 AM <Pickley> I'm sure someone will
	12:02:55 AM <kouiskas> if it's not picked up by someone we'll end up writing our own I think, because windows is still 85% of dA users, but I think it would be a shame to release an API and to cover most platforms ourselves
	12:02:59 AM <Pickley>
	12:03:13 AM <Pickley> I'll try to find someone to do it
	12:03:18 AM <Pickley> Someone should do I think
	12:04:00 AM <Pickley> Would you even consider employing someone straight out of high school, thats mainly done freelance work on small scale stuff and just the one mobile app?
	12:04:39 AM <kouiskas> depends on how long you've been freelancing
	12:04:49 AM <Pickley> Not long and not really properly
	12:04:52 AM <Pickley> just on and off
	12:05:03 AM <Pickley> probably about 5 projects in all i think
	12:05:06 AM <Pickley> and small ones lmao
	12:05:13 AM <kouiskas> since we all work remotely there's little room for training people on the core skills (PHP/JS) so we need people who can hit the ground running
	12:05:21 AM <Pickley> Yeah
	12:05:23 AM <kouiskas> we have a PHP+JS exercise during the recruitment process to check that
	12:05:33 AM <Pickley> I know PHP reasonably, JS not so much
	12:05:39 AM <kouiskas> but you know, some people learn a lot on their own and others spend 10 years working in the industry and still suck
	12:05:39 AM <Pickley> But I pick up quick lol
	12:05:50 AM <Pickley> dAmnMobile was written in about 120 hours
	12:05:54 AM <Pickley> with no knowledge of Obj-C
	12:06:15 AM <Pickley> -uptime
	12:06:15 AM <dAmnMobot> Uptime: 1066 seconds