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            "text": "In a lot of movies, the actor, the main lead actor or the hero of the movie is shown riding a bike very fast and impressing the girl. Have you ever done that? I have done that. And you both keep saying that this port is very expensive, right? How expensive it is? Unfortunately, I didn't have the money to buy all the gears and all the stuff. Then I had an idea. I knew that my girlfriend wanted to buy also a motorcycle. So basically, I sold the motorbike, bought the stuff, and then asked my girlfriend to borrow me the motorbike back. How much money can somebody make in this career? If you started to race at the international level, especially in the world championship, then you can make 100,000 euro or something like this is possible. How dangerous it is. Welcome to a very different episode of figuring out. Today we have gotten champion bike racers on our podcast. We have tried to understand how biking as a culture is growing. What does it take to become a professional bike racer? How much money can you make? What are the challenges that you face? How dangerous this whole sport is? Is it even a sport or it's just for fun and impressing other people? We've covered all these things and tried to understand what are the economics which run behind managing a large bike racing team enjoys today's show because it's very different than what we do. We try to experiment by getting someone from a very different career. I hope you'll enjoy it. Before you actually start the show, please subscribe to rajamani clips and Rajshamani shots channel, because there we put out the huge podcast into smaller clips and you get to see the clips unfiltered behind the scenes, which you don't get to see it in this podcast. Enjoy the show. All right, Luke, Cho and Rajini, welcome to figuring out. It's my pleasure to host this conversation because this is a very different conversation with very different type of guests that we do. And I'm super excited because I love, I wouldn't call it alternative career, but I want to call it like, I love people who make passion their life. It's an underrated skill. It takes lot of courage, it takes lot of path breaking moves and decisions in their life. And it's like an unconventional journey, which not a lot of people can pursue. So that's why it makes it a special episode for me. And in a lot of movies, they show around the world. It's not just indian movies around the world, right. Usually the actor, the main lead actor or the hero of the movie is shown riding a bike very fast and impressing the girl, right. Because it's like someone. You mean like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible. If you ride fast then you can impress a girl. Have you ever done that? Have you? Any one of you has impressed a girl? Because through your biking I have done that. Normally the youngsters like bike the facility. Who's riding the bike like 100%. The gale is liking also. No. See that culture is everywhere there. But in India I think very less. But I think this country like. Before I start I want both of you to do a little thing that we do. So tell us or tell all our audience in 1 minute or two minutes. What do you do and what do you do? How is it relevant for everyone right now? Who's listening to us? Why not? You go first. Yeah. You talk about how I started for the racing career. See basically I am born and bought Chennai, Tamil Nadu. So my age of 16 I started riding my brother's scooter. Mostly I like more speed. Then I started work. My age of 17. Because my father died. My age of 14 I don't have big support. My home I started work. Then I very crazy about the bikes. About the speed. Then whatever I gaining some money. I bought the RX 100 at 17. I think 2000. 2000. Exactly 2000 I bought. How old were you then? That time I am almost 20. Age of 20. I bought the new bike. Then I finding out how to go for the racing. Because normally maybe 2000. You don't have any google? No. Facebook? No. Instagram? No. The phone also not much. Okay. Then searching with normally the started for the racing. The normally bike will ride very fast in the road. Then starting slowly. Finding where the race happening. Okay. Even I'm bought in Tamil Nadu and Chennai. But first in India racetrack in Chennai only. But I don't know because no big coverage. Nothing for our motorsports. Then slowly I find one friend. He's a technician. He's a technician for the two wheeler. Then he's a racer also. Then I find one other with my friend. Then when I saw that guy, I asked one question. I want to race. Then he took racetrack. Okay. I saw that time exactly. I went seeing the track. That time I have some national championship, some race. Then I decided I want to start my career in year only. And when did you think that? What was the point? What age you believed that? Okay. Now racing can take care of me and my family. Maybe you can say like a 2001 2002. So nothing and no social media at all. The people doesn't know awareness for the racing at all. They're very OD. Because no, whatever money I am, I will put for racing only till my age of 21. I started my racing till I think age of 28 or almost 29. Okay. Only whatever the aim price, money, some salary, I'll put my how to go more faster and doing more practice. Maybe some other races, maybe other country to go race. Everything you need to spend without sponsor, that is very difficult. But aiming money and earning money and this sports in India, very difficult. Now, maybe the culture is changing. Motor, GP coming here, India, maybe other. It will take five to ten years to aiming money. Okay, so it took you eight to ten years to start making money in this? Yes. Wow. All right. What about you? How did you start your journey? Tell us about yourself. Where were you born? What did you do? I born in Venice, in Italy. Wonderful city. But I grew up in Bologna. Bologna is a city in center north of Italy, where there is a lot of culture for motorsports. Because nearby Bologna, there is the company Ferrari, there is the company Lamborghini, there is the company Ducati. Let's say I grew in an environment where the speed was part of the DNA of many people. I would like to say something that I truly believe that the spirit of man was always to go higher, deeper and faster. And this is a sentence that I read on a book, and I truly believe that this is it. And about myself. Yes. I always wanted to go faster. Since I was a child, I had a bicycle and want to go faster. I had a moped and I wanted that my moped been faster than every other mopeds. I had a motorcycle and then the motorcycle, I wanted that the motorcycle could go faster than everybody else. But then I realized that it was, of course, not proper things to do, going faster on the street. Then I started to be interested in go faster on a racetrack, which is a much safer environment and a proper environment to please myself. So I started to go first and off road, so with motocross, because I couldn't afford to go on the racetrack, because it was more expensive. I didn't have the money. So I asked my parents, can you buy a motorcycle for me to go racing? But they said, no, it's impossible. It's impossible. You cannot buy a motorcycle for go racing. We don't want you go racing. And I can understand now, I can understand that parents are concerned about their own child going racing. But I had this passion, and I really wanted to satisfy my passion. So I went in the school. I started to work in the summertime. I also work after school doing mechanic. I earned some money and I could buy my motorcycle, a motorcycle, street motorcycle that eventually modified. You could go racing. Unfortunately, I didn't have the money to buy all the gears and all the stuff. Then I had an idea. I knew that my girlfriend wanted to buy also a motorcycle. So I spoke with the father of my girlfriend, and then I said, do you want to buy my motorcycle for your daughter? And he was thinking about it, and then he said, yes. So I sold the motorcycle to my girlfriend, and with this money, I could buy the racing gear. I could afford to buy the tire and some spare parts to go racing to make my first race ever. Of course, I didn't have any more the motorbike, but my girlfriend could borrow me my motorbike. So, basically, I sold the motorbike, bought the stuff, and then asked my girlfriend to borrow me the motorbike back. Good plan. That was my. Let's say, financial. My first financial deal. And. And actually, I did my first race ever in Mizano racetrack in Italy. And, yeah, the race were okay, because I was on the leading group, and then in the last lap, I was a second. And, unfortunately, trying to pass the first, I crash against him, and we both crash. But after that race, I understood that I could make some racing career. So I was lucky, because, as I told you, in my area in Bologna, there was a lot of culture for motorsport. And, yes, a moto club took care about me in a very nice way. They started to finance me a little bit, so I was working. I got a little bit money from the motor club. I got a little bit money from some small company who started to sponsor me. It was difficult at the beginning, because, yes, it's a very expensive sport, but step by step, I could build up my racing career. I did my second year. I did the second in the italian championship. Then I did the second in the world in the european championship. And then I won the european championship. And then I moved to the world championship. I did 15 years of racing in the world championship. Sorry. Ten years of racing in the world championship. 15 years in total. In 2003, I stopped racing, but I already had my own team. And I keep going with my team as a team manager. And this is where I'm now team manager of LCR on the MotoGP team, which is, let's say, the satellite team on the racing connected in the MotoGP class, which is the Formula one of racing. And you both keep saying that this sport is very expensive. Right? How expensive? It is. Like, let's say if I want to become a bike racer, I want to get into it. How much do I need to pay yearly? And on what? All things like start by breaking down. Where all do you spend to start. At the very beginning. Very beginning with what we call a sport. Production means production bikes sold on the shops, but modified and eventually go racing. It need a minimum, like, I would say 30,000 euro in a year. Yeah, minimum. Okay. And €30,000 is just on the bike or no bike. And also the money to go to the race meetings, to buy some spare parts, to buy the racing gear. This is just the minimum budget you need just to start. Then. Our team operation in MotoGP is huge. Okay. What is that? Over 50 million euro. 50 million euro is what is this expense? First of all, the bikes himself cost about 5 million euro. How many bikes are there? Four bikes. Two bikes per riders? Yeah, we have two riders. Then we have also all the technical part, like carbon brakes, like special fuel. And then we have the rider salary. We are 52 people working in the. Team for two people. Okay. How much is the rider salary depend? Of course, like in any sport, the rider salary can go from 300,000 up to 20 million per year. Per year? Yes. So that's one team costs around €50 million a year, approximately. Private team. Yes. Like my team, supported by Honda and all the sponsor and so on. And also we got also money from the TV rights, of course, as you know, is a sport that is worldwide, shown on TV channels. And then we got also a couple of million of euro on TV rights, refunds and yes, that's very expensive. But it's like in Formula One, Formula One is even ten times higher costs. So, of course, you do it for passion, not for money, honestly. And there looks impressive figures. Yes. But like in every field in our life, there are steps. So the most important for me is that someone who has a dream to become a motorcycle racer, I think that they should keep their dream alive and then try his best to contact people like Rajni and let's say go forward. Got it. Tell me how it is different in India. Do you think the money which you need per year is almost same or it's different? No. See, how much money do I need? The cost of India racing, maybe you can say per year. You want starting like a beginner. Okay, starting. Maybe you need bikes. Maybe racing gears, some frattis and racing and preparing the bikes, the tires, maybe spare. Pause. Everything enough. Five lakh. Every year you need five lakhs. That is starting stage. Five lakhs. How much money it is, is approximately around in dollars. It would be like $7,000 or something like that. But you rent a bike in that way. Yeah, I can rent the bike. Yeah. That is like a protection bike. Okay. That is the cheaper cost to starting for the racing in India. Got it. Then there are a lot of step. Next level. Next level. That is going to like the culture of India. See that five lakh, the huge. Okay. You know, it's big money and especially. For the no returns. Yeah. Because the culture of Italy and maybe Spanish, their racing is very big because you will see the salary for the riders. Okay. Yes. I don't get any salary without any sponsoring team. Okay. Maybe I ride TV some five years. That time I got the salary, that was almost rs12,000, my salary month. Wow. Yeah. Both of you are your team principals in the Castrol power one, India's ultimate motor star. Tell me exactly, step by step, what is your job in this? What do you do and tell us how planned this event is and how unplanned this event is. Because what do I mean by unplanned and planned is what goes into the race. Do you think everything is. You take precautionary measures and then everything's planned so that it's safe? Or do you think there's some level of adrenaline and there's some level of adventure as well? If Rajini allowed me to answer, I would like to say that it's a very commendable project that Castro Power one ultimate motorstar have settled up. Because we were talking at the beginning of this conversation about the cost of then also Rajni and myself talked about the difficulty to have a sponsor at the beginning to find the money. So in that case, Castro Power one ultimate motorstar project, it's there to help and support the young generation, the young people who really want and deserve an opportunity to go to become a racer. And that's fantastic because they will guide you and they will support you and ourself. Rajini and myself, we are going to occupy two different position in that project. Rajni, it will be fundamental to work on a pre selection of the racer skill and he will pick up the best group of talented future racer. And myself will be more the figure that we will invite in Europe to train with our MotoGP riders and to understand about racing culture and perhaps to give an opportunity to have a couple of races in Europe at the international level. The best rider that will be selected by Rajni. So we are going to work on two different scale. Rajni here in India. And thanks to his pre selection job, I'm going to let the best selected rider test with our MotoGP rider training with us, using our facility, and then race at the international level in Europe in the smaller category. And eventually, if they will have the chance, we will put them in a racing academy in Europe. Got it? Tell me, how much money can somebody make in this career? Do you think it's good for making money? Well, again, I think that somebody want to become a motorcycle racer, shouldn't become a motorcycle racer because of making money, because of the passion. So I get that. What I'm trying to ask is, let's say I have passion, but I also have my bills to be taken care of. I also have my family. If I start doing this, is there a possibility one year, two year, five year, ten years, at one point I start making money? Or do you think it's a zero one game, only few people will make money. Everyone else won't make money. I would like to say that this is a sport that probably in the first four or five years, like it happened also to me, I couldn't make money. I had to work as a mechanic on a motorcycle shop to have my own salary. Then, thanks to the sportive results, of course, I got race prices and also got first sponsors. That was like motorcycle parts producers and so on. At the beginning, if you race at the national level, it's very difficult to make money. I would say national level. Maybe you can have a medium average salary. If you started to race at the international level, especially in the world championship, then you can make money. Even in the smaller categories, you can make 100,000 euro or something like this is possible. Got it? Okay. Let's talk about how dangerous it is. We can call like the safety ways, 100% thereof safety when you're riding the racetrack, okay. Injury ways, you cannot make a safety because there are different crashes. Sometime you crash like a 300 kilometer per hour. You got nothing injury. Maybe you crash very slow. Sometimes the injury, you broken the ham, you broken the shoulder like that, okay? Defense of crash, but everything like a very safety manner, okay? There are ambulance, there are muscles, there are a lot of things inside there. But 100% there's risky sports. That is, you know, when you're coming to bike that is risky. Is there when you got, like, scared about crash, you need to retain your racing career and stop and do it. Maybe some management for the racing. That is a better way. Got it? Because when he entered, he had a shoulder band on, because he recently broke his collarbone. And I was asking him that, are you okay? It's all right. He just said, oh, this is fine. This is like almost every month for us. And I'm like, what? This is nothing. This is just like every month. A broken bone is too much. It's a regular thing. 23 fractures in my racing career. 23 means one a year. Many times more than one a year. More than one a year. Okay. I have an interesting question for you. Yeah. Why do you think this sport as of now is not accepted in India? The way, let's say a cricket or a cupboard d or something else has been accepted. So obviously cricket. Let's just keep that aside because part of the culture. But there are new sports coming up. There's volleyball now in new leagues. They are coming up. People have started watching table tennis. People have started watching cupboardly. Why do you feel like this is not the sport which a lot of people have started seeing at scale or do you see this changes coming? And now people have started accepting. Yeah. Especially even all the sports in India. The specialty. You can make a simple like a cricket like a 2020 happening. Okay. Why he's giving minimum two months before shout out all the TV, radio, everything. Because this popular in India. Okay. You know the cricket is happening. But why is doing had everywhere and giving for the every half an hour before I'm saying before two, three months remainder all the people again those matches are happening like the same thing. Our sports. Maybe my sports. Okay. No coverage, no live coverage. Nothing else. You think in India there are lot of people like bike. He like the bike racing. But 100% doesn't know where is the racing happening. Because of lagging about coverage. Media coverage. You need. Who's doing an organizer for our indian national championship. You need to make a good coverage like live TV. Maybe more shout out. Maybe giving some ad. Then only it can reach the people. Otherwise know that today is very fast way. People know running their own way. Okay. You want to know where is happening this event. I'm asking one simple question. You okay. You know where is happening and raising in India. That is the thing. But you know 100% where is the cricket is happening. Which countries now India is going. Because why either there of the club. The club is doing very smart way. Because no. He's making more in connecting with the TV. So giving had continuously he make a warm TV for the cricket. Like that. Okay. Tell me what's the team which goes on behind in making one rider's race possible? Like who all are the important people. How many people are there? How big is the team behind one rider in one race. Of course, if we talk at the top level, like MotoGP level. Okay. Like I said, we are about 50 people. Because we are 50 people for one rider. No, for two riders. Two riders. For two riders. Because we are an enterprise. Imagine that we have more than two races per year around the world. We races, of course, in Europe, in America and South America, in Australia and Japan. In Asia. We have races here in India, in Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, Malaysia, Australia. And it's something that to operate such championship, you need mechanics. So we are about ten mechanics per rider. Okay. So it's like 20 mechanics. 20 mechanics in one team. So out of 50 people, 20 are mechanics? 20 are mechanics. Okay. Then there are what we call hospitality, because we have kind of hospitality unit to host. To host all the sponsored guests. Okay. And then there are other twelve people working at the hospitality. It's a kind of big restaurant facility that travel around the world. Then we do have also people who work in the communication and marketing department. How many? We are communication, marketing. Five. Okay. Which include social media, which include content production, producers and so on. Then also we do have other people who work in the logistics and administrations, accountant. We have other six people. And workshop maintenance and truck drivers. It's a huge operation. Okay. So there are riders, there are mechanics, the hospitality team, there are marketing, communication people, the logistics people, the truck drivers. And the team manager. And the team manager. Who is paid the highest riders, of course, riders. And after riders, who are the second most? Crew chief. The crew chief means the technical director of the team. Technical director. What does a technical director do? Around 100,000 euro. Yeah, little bit more. Got it? Yeah. Okay, so I want to know this now. Let's talk about your moments in your biking and racing careers. Right? What was the first time that you crashed? You crashed and you felt, okay, this is maybe, and I want to talk about a crash where you felt like. Maybe I should leave. This. This is threatening, this is life taking or this is something like that. We all have these kind of moments, near death moments in our careers. See, even two weeks back, also I had a crash, big crash. See the crash? No, that is normal for the racing. First of all, I will look always once crash, I look my bike. How expensive to prepare again, because that. Is important, not mine. Maybe I broke. Okay, you can kneel. No problem. They sponsor the bikes. That's funny. Yeah. The first crash ever was in my first race ever. Okay. As I told you, I was a second that I was trying to pass the first, and then I hit him, and then we both crash. And the crash who make me thinking about what I'm doing? Probably it was my last crash. My last crash when I decided to stop my career. What happened? Tell me. I was leading the world championship. Okay. Then was in June 2003. I won in France. I won in Spain. I won in Italy. And then in July, it started a series of negative results. I had engine failures. I have suspension failure. I had a crash. I had a crash. I had crash. I had crash. So in that moment in Portugal, 2003, I said, okay, it's a kind of sign that probably God is giving to me because from leading the world championship ending couple of months, negative, negative. Crash, crash, crash, failure, failure, crash. I said, okay, God is sending me some signal. And then perhaps it's the moment that I need to stop. Then this was beginning of September, and then end of October, early November, I did my last race. And then I decided to stop. And I decided to continue to support young riders that eventually were faster. And from there I started the second journey of my racing career as a team manager. So that you had your near death experience and then you started the second. Meaning? Okay, tell me, who is your favorite racer in the world? Valentino. Valentino, same for you. Same for you. Or is there someone else? I beat Valentino. Sweet. Yes, of course, this is not a joke. I was racing in the european championship. I was already an experienced rider. He just was a beginner. He was just debut in the european championship. He won the european championship. He arrived third. So I beat him. But joking. Valentino still is probably the most biggest hero of motorcycle racing. He contribute a lot, a lot for the growth of motorcycle racing in the old world because of his personality, of his communication skill, his ability to let people joy and be happy watching races. I think that in my case. One. Of the biggest hero of my life is him. And I would add definitely mark market. Mark Market is the eight time world champion and still racing in Honda with Honda factory racing and is really a special rider. Fair. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you for spending time and sharing insights with us about how the biking culture and the industry tree works. Thank you so much. I had a great time with you all. Thank you. Thank you for your supporting for us. Thank you pleasures of mine. Thank you so much for watching this till the end. I hope you like this show. Please let us know. Would you want to see more alternative career people and want to understand their industry and their profession in order to make it big in their lives? How can you monetize your passion? Is one of the things that I am really passionate about. If you are too, let us know in the comments until the next episode. Keep figuring out and don't forget to, like, share, subscribe and share it with at least one person.",
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