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Original post: | |
https://thephd.dev/c2y-the-defer-technical-specification-its-time-go-go-go | |
Inspired by for loop and Python’s `with` statement: | |
https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/for.html | |
for ( init-clause ; cond-expression ; iteration-expression ) loop-statement | |
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#with | |
Syntax: | |
with ( init-clause ; cond-expression ; cleanup-expression ) context-statement | |
Comparison: `thephd.dev defer` vs `with` | |
1. Automatically creates a new scope. | |
2. Supports only expressions — no deferred statements. | |
3. `break` is allowed within the `with` block. | |
4. Nested `with` statements are not allowed within init-clause, cond-expression, or cleanup-expression. | |
However, the context-statement can include `with`, just like in loop bodies. | |
5. No mid-scope defers. | |
- In the original `defer`, deferred statements could appear anywhere in the scope. | |
- This is suboptimal, as developers must read the entire block to find all deferred actions. | |
- The `with` statement improves clarity by forcing all deferred behavior to be declared at the start of the block. | |
6. Unlike `defer`, which helps maintain a flat block structure `with` introduces an additional level of nesting. | |
This is even worse in common `malloc`–`init_object` patterns as it introduces two levels of additional nesting. | |
Comparison: `for` loop vs `with` block | |
1. Trivially, context-statement is executed only once; `continue` is not allowed. | |
2. Unlike a `for` loop's iteration-expression, the cleanup-expression is evaluated when exiting via `break` or `return`. | |
Jump to outside of block with `goto` skips the cleanup-expression. | |
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#include <threads.h> | |
extern int do_sync_work(int id, mtx_t *m); | |
int main(void) | |
{ | |
with (mtx_t m = {}; mtx_init(&m, mtx_plain) == thrd_success; mtx_destroy(&m)) { | |
for (int i = 0; i < 12; ++i) { | |
with (; mtx_lock(&m) == thrd_success; mtx_unlock(&m)) { | |
if (do_sync_work(i, &m) == 0) { | |
return 1; | |
} | |
} | |
} | |
} | |
return 0; | |
} |
I strongly agree that defer
is more foundational than with
. But that’s precisely the point. defer
has too high degree of freedom. While restricting programmer freedom might go against the philosophy of the C language, it’s still important to find a sweet spot — just as we have for
and while
loops despite the existence of goto
. My concern is that defer
might end up being confined to strictly limited use cases, much like goto
.
Additionally, defer
introduces a gap between initialization and cleanup. Carelessly inserted code might interfere with proper handling of the defer
statement. In contrast, with
helps eliminate this gap.
One critical feature that the with
statement lacks, compared to defer
, is handling initialization failure. While a with-else
could be introduced to handle failures in the condition expression, the lack of a variable to store the evaluated value of the condition expression could pose a serious problem. This issue is shared with for
loops, but it's more critical in this context because we are performing initialization rather than just checking a condition.
The with
statement isn't perfect either, but I believe it's important to constrain the excessive degree of freedom that defer
introduces.
One critical feature that the
with
statement lacks, compared todefer
, is handling initialization failure. While awith-else
could be introduced to handle failures in the condition expression, the lack of a variable to store the evaluated value of the condition expression could pose a serious problem. This issue is shared withfor
loops, but it's more critical in this context because we are performing initialization rather than just checking a condition.
Possible solution:
mtx_t m = {};
with (int ret = mtx_init(&m, mtx_plain); ret == thrd_success; mtx_destroy(&m)) {
for (int i = 0; i < 12; ++i) {
with (; mtx_lock(&m) == thrd_success; mtx_unlock(&m)) {
if (do_sync_work(i, &m) == 0) {
return 1;
}
}
}
} else {
if (ret == thrd_error) {
// ...
}
}
I don't necessarily disagree that with
and Python's stylings here are nicer to use (and restrict things to just expressions). But, there's a few flaws to this:
- Statement Expressions can and always do immediately thwart any "we can just limit this to expressions" bit. It's an extension right now, but it's a fairly widely implemented one (even chibicc has it, I think the only compiler that can't handle it well that's in real use is Microsoft's).
with
, like @fdwr stated, the combination of all of these things is just really a rearranging of the more fundamental operations.defer
being low-level in this syntactic way is meant to mirror the existing practice (__attribute__((cleanup(...)))
,__try
/__finally
in MSVC, etc.); a lot of these don't have this level of structure, and that means it can't be directly replaced by thiswith
statement.- The display of the
else
-clause on thewith
shows the error in having a (gated)with
statement:- merging two different domains (error handling and deferred action) means you now need to find a way to "cancel" the
with
statement or prevent entering it. - moving your mutex (or other important object) out of the
with
so you can work with the error code means you've now negated one of the benefits ofwith
(the reduced scope and lifetime of an object). This same problem happens with__try
/__finally
in MSVC: https://thephd.dev/_vendor/future_cxx/papers/C%20-%20Improved%20__attribute__((cleanup))%20Through%20defer.html#intro-try.finally
- merging two different domains (error handling and deferred action) means you now need to find a way to "cancel" the
It's for that reason that I didn't pursue a Python-with
or C#-using
feature. I do think you can have this sort of feature to make working with deferred action easier, but I would prefer to start with the fundamental piece and have a general-purpose, no-strings-attached undo mechanism and then work up the ladder.
Arriving here from: ThePhD/future_cxx#67 (comment)
🤔
defer
feels more foundational thanwith
, wherewith
is a compound aggregation of {initialization statement,if
,defer
}, and so one could easily composewith
ifdefer
existed (even a preprocessor macro could implementwith
givendefer
), but one could not implementdefer
viawith
, sincedefer
supports block cleanup rather than only expressions.Interestingly (for an analog), the
for
loop is a combo of {initialization statement, anif
, increment expression}, and thus anif
is more foundational of a control flow primitive than thefor
. Although one could actually implement anif
statement in terms of afor
loop (e.g.for (bool b = expression; b; b = false) { ... }
), it feels quite upside-down. 🙃I'm not opposed to a Pythonesque
with
eventually (similar to C#'susing
, and not to be confused with VB/Pascal-stylewith
which is very different), especially if it could behave like Python's concisewith
where an object'senter
/exit
methods were called (kinda like how in C++begin
/end
methods are specially recognized for rangedfor
loops), but I'd vote for an order of operations where we introduce the more general/fundamental construct first.For now, the
defer
approach isn`t much longer: