bryanl · December 26, 2008 16:22
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 <bryanl> this isn't a very good blog post:
         http://merbist.com/2008/12/25/merb-rails-merge-or-why-should-merbists-be-happy/
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 <linoj> bryanl:  why isnt it good?
 <bryanl> it approaches it from the point that the "merbists" are giving up
         something                                                      [09:06]
 <bryanl> like they are the victims
 <linoj> well, its posted on merbist.com :)                              [09:07]
 <bryanl> and is merb better than rails?
 <bryanl> who knows
 <bryanl> dhh is evaluating the merb router...
 <bryanl> that is irrelevant.  he didn't write the current rails one
 <bryanl> i wonder what koz and jamis are thinking
 <bryanl> and what does jeremey have to say                              [09:08]
 <linoj> i think the point is merb has brought a number of key things to the
        show which they dont want to lose or compromise for the sake of
        merging                                                         [09:09]
 <bryanl> but i must say, that in dhh's new blog post, the new controller api
         design is pretty good
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 <jschoolcraft> Can someone help me with a gem:unpack issue?  apache error log
               says 2 gem dependencies aren't met, but they're in vendor/gems
               (http://pastie.org/346983)                               [10:36]
 <bcardarella> jschoolcraft: I've run into that. Even if you have your gems
              frozen to vendor/gems that's no guarantee that they'll work
                                                                        [10:37]
 <bcardarella> Some gems need to compile, some need to setup external binaries
              (i.e. cucumber)                                           [10:38]
 <jschoolcraft> bcardarella: so there's no way to get away from installing
               system-wide gems on the production server (depending of course
               on what gems your apps use...)                           [10:39]
 <bcardarella> jschoolcraft: not for every gem out there. That's been my
              experience at least
 <jschoolcraft> bcardarella: alright, thanks.  I'll see if I can get away with
               just installing these 2 specific gems and vendoring everything
               else                                                     [10:40]
 <bcardarella> jschoolcraft: it is still a good idea to freeze your gems to
              vendor though. At least you have a copy of the same version
              you're working off it in development and can refer to it quickly
              if there are any issues when you deploy
 <bryanl> that has been my experience as well                            [10:46]
 <bcardarella> Does anybody have a recommendation on a textfield autocomplete
              plugin?                                                   [10:49]
 <bryanl> i do it by hand
 <bcardarella> bryanl: yeah, that's what I was thinking
 <bcardarella> But it is for an admin area so I was just trying to be lazy :p
                                                                        [10:50]
 <bryanl> in rails recipes there is a way
 <bryanl> let me look
 <bcardarella> I think that relies upon the some stuff that was extracted out
              of Rails
 <bcardarella> If it is similar to the one in the Agile book
 <jschoolcraft> Do you guys use gem dependencies in config?  I'm still getting
               an error in the apache error log: http://pastie.org/346988
                                                                        [10:51]
 <bryanl> actually it was the agile book
 <bryanl> i just looked
 <bryanl> jschoolcraft: i do.  but i'm finding it doesn't work as well as i
         think it should                                                [10:52]
 <bcardarella> jschoolcraft: in general I find that the frozen gems stuff is
              still a little uncooked. For example, doing rake gems:unpack
              sometimes won't freeze a gem for me unless I have that gem
              installed.                                                [10:53]
 <bryanl> gems:unpack fails silently for me way too much                 [10:55]
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 <bcardarella> bryanl: hey, are you still doing that video that you needed help
              with?                                                     [10:59]
 <bryanl> sure thing
 <bryanl> i'm going to be picking up in februray
 <bryanl> picking it back up                                             [11:00]
 <bryanl> i'm working on the rails way screencast series now
 >> /join #emacs
 <bcardarella> There's going to be Screencasts for the new Rails Way?
 <bryanl> yes                                                            [11:02]
 <bryanl> bcardarella: send me an email at [email protected] so i don't forget
 <bcardarella> sure, I'd love to help out in anything you need
 <bcardarella> for the video :p
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 <jschoolcraft> damn.  I installed hpricot and redcloth in production, removed
               the config dependencies, and it's still complaining about them
               not being installed.                                     [11:12]
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 <bcardarella> jschoolcraft: pastie?                                     [11:15]
 <jschoolcraft> bcardarella: http://pastie.org/346996                    [11:16]
 <bcardarella> jschoolcraft: do you have sudo access or did it install the gems
              to your local? (i.e. ~/.gems )                            [11:17]
 <jschoolcraft> bcardarella: that could be it, but I thought I sudo'd    [11:18]
 * jschoolcraft curses under breath
 <bcardarella> Can you pastie your environment.rb ?                      [11:19]
 <bcardarella> Ubfuscating any private data of course
 <bcardarella> Obfuscating :p
 <jschoolcraft> bcardarella: sure, I reinstalled gems with sudo,
               http://pastie.org/347000 (still no workie, environment.rb
               coming up)                                               [11:22]
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	<bryanl> this isn't a very good blog post:
	http://merbist.com/2008/12/25/merb-rails-merge-or-why-should-merbists-be-happy/
	[08:49]
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	<linoj> bryanl: why isnt it good?
	<bryanl> it approaches it from the point that the "merbists" are giving up
	something [09:06]
	<bryanl> like they are the victims
	<linoj> well, its posted on merbist.com :) [09:07]
	<bryanl> and is merb better than rails?
	<bryanl> who knows
	<bryanl> dhh is evaluating the merb router...
	<bryanl> that is irrelevant. he didn't write the current rails one
	<bryanl> i wonder what koz and jamis are thinking
	<bryanl> and what does jeremey have to say [09:08]
	<linoj> i think the point is merb has brought a number of key things to the
	show which they dont want to lose or compromise for the sake of
	merging [09:09]
	<bryanl> but i must say, that in dhh's new blog post, the new controller api
	design is pretty good
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	jschoolcraft
	<jschoolcraft> Can someone help me with a gem:unpack issue? apache error log
	says 2 gem dependencies aren't met, but they're in vendor/gems
	(http://pastie.org/346983) [10:36]
	<bcardarella> jschoolcraft: I've run into that. Even if you have your gems
	frozen to vendor/gems that's no guarantee that they'll work
	[10:37]
	<bcardarella> Some gems need to compile, some need to setup external binaries
	(i.e. cucumber) [10:38]
	<jschoolcraft> bcardarella: so there's no way to get away from installing
	system-wide gems on the production server (depending of course
	on what gems your apps use...) [10:39]
	<bcardarella> jschoolcraft: not for every gem out there. That's been my
	experience at least
	<jschoolcraft> bcardarella: alright, thanks. I'll see if I can get away with
	just installing these 2 specific gems and vendoring everything
	else [10:40]
	<bcardarella> jschoolcraft: it is still a good idea to freeze your gems to
	vendor though. At least you have a copy of the same version
	you're working off it in development and can refer to it quickly
	if there are any issues when you deploy
	<bryanl> that has been my experience as well [10:46]
	<bcardarella> Does anybody have a recommendation on a textfield autocomplete
	plugin? [10:49]
	<bryanl> i do it by hand
	<bcardarella> bryanl: yeah, that's what I was thinking
	<bcardarella> But it is for an admin area so I was just trying to be lazy :p
	[10:50]
	<bryanl> in rails recipes there is a way
	<bryanl> let me look
	<bcardarella> I think that relies upon the some stuff that was extracted out
	of Rails
	<bcardarella> If it is similar to the one in the Agile book
	<jschoolcraft> Do you guys use gem dependencies in config? I'm still getting
	an error in the apache error log: http://pastie.org/346988
	[10:51]
	<bryanl> actually it was the agile book
	<bryanl> i just looked
	<bryanl> jschoolcraft: i do. but i'm finding it doesn't work as well as i
	think it should [10:52]
	<bcardarella> jschoolcraft: in general I find that the frozen gems stuff is
	still a little uncooked. For example, doing rake gems:unpack
	sometimes won't freeze a gem for me unless I have that gem
	installed. [10:53]
	<bryanl> gems:unpack fails silently for me way too much [10:55]
	>> /join #emacs [10:56]
	<bcardarella> bryanl: hey, are you still doing that video that you needed help
	with? [10:59]
	<bryanl> sure thing
	<bryanl> i'm going to be picking up in februray
	<bryanl> picking it back up [11:00]
	<bryanl> i'm working on the rails way screencast series now
	>> /join #emacs
	<bcardarella> There's going to be Screencasts for the new Rails Way?
	<bryanl> yes [11:02]
	<bryanl> bcardarella: send me an email at [email protected] so i don't forget
	<bcardarella> sure, I'd love to help out in anything you need
	<bcardarella> for the video :p
	>> /join #rubyonrails [11:10]
	<jschoolcraft> damn. I installed hpricot and redcloth in production, removed
	the config dependencies, and it's still complaining about them
	not being installed. [11:12]
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	<bcardarella> jschoolcraft: pastie? [11:15]
	<jschoolcraft> bcardarella: http://pastie.org/346996 [11:16]
	<bcardarella> jschoolcraft: do you have sudo access or did it install the gems
	to your local? (i.e. ~/.gems ) [11:17]
	<jschoolcraft> bcardarella: that could be it, but I thought I sudo'd [11:18]
	* jschoolcraft curses under breath
	<bcardarella> Can you pastie your environment.rb ? [11:19]
	<bcardarella> Ubfuscating any private data of course
	<bcardarella> Obfuscating :p
	<jschoolcraft> bcardarella: sure, I reinstalled gems with sudo,
	http://pastie.org/347000 (still no workie, environment.rb
	coming up) [11:22]
	>>