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[8:28pm] EliDupree: I also sometimes entertain myself by answering questions in here, my only concern about virtue being that help I render here might be biased in favor of helping more e.g. white people (a common concern for helping tech people with tech)
[8:30pm] danieldg: that's a strange concern.  You can't tell anything like that about someone on IRC
[8:31pm] EliDupree: Sure, I can't, but I can make a reasonable guess about the overall proportions from the rust community surveys and such
[8:32pm] twmb: what?
[8:33pm] danieldg: yeah, that's not the right way to compute this imo
[8:37pm] EliDupree: If I prefer to help people out in a space that statistically has more privileged people in it, then I'm de facto concentrating resources in the hands of the privileged. I don't think it's *bad* per se because it's not zero-sum, but I'd prefer to help people who have less help already at their disposal.
[8:39pm] danieldg: I only consider that to apply if there are baerriers to entry for the space; rust doesn't really have such barriers (nor do programming languages in general, maybe except ones like matlab that cost money)
[8:39pm] danieldg: but I can see your viewpoint
[8:41pm] insaneinside: there are sociocultural barriers too;  sometimes people don't become involved in something because they never realize how easy it is to do so
[8:41pm] insaneinside: / are never exposed to the idea, etc etc
[8:43pm] EliDupree: One could also mention that there are sometimes economic barriers to getting into programming at all (you have to sink a lot of time into it before it starts being worthwhile). That's not necessarily different from other skills, but skills are economic resources in general.
[8:44pm] danieldg: true, but capital investment for programming is lower than for basically any other trade
[8:44pm] CognitiveRadiation: it's virtuous to help people in groups that are or are assumed to be majority-white
[8:44pm] EliDupree: That's not my main point, though – my perspective here is more based on the observed demographics than my beliefs about how it got that way
[8:44pm] CognitiveRadiation: whiteness is in and of iself good
[8:44pm] sarnold: I've wondered about this; in my experience people on irc get far better advice from far more experienced people while webforum users get bad or dangerous advice from other webforum users. the webforum folks often wind up never learning because the reasonable mentors are elsewhere in a format they prefer.
[8:44pm] CognitiveRadiation: and privilege theory is an excuse to exercse racial animus against white people
[8:44pm] CognitiveRadiation: which is why I politically oppose it
[8:44pm] • insaneinside raises an eyebrow
[8:45pm] EliDupree: what insaneinside said
[8:45pm] CognitiveRadiation: I don't want to get super-political in #rust in and of itself, but I do want to strongly push back against anti-white views like EliDupree espouses
[8:45pm] centril: this discussion ===> somewhere else
[8:45pm] insaneinside: yeah, let's take it to #rust-offtopic folks
[8:45pm] EliDupree: we could go to #rust-community
[8:45pm] centril: insaneinside: not even there cause it probably breaks rust community policy
[8:47pm] centril: "We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.", "In particular, we don’t tolerate behavior that excludes people in socially marginalized
[8:47pm] centril: groups."
[8:47pm] centril:        https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html    
[8:48pm] centril: j #rust-offtopic
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