oF dev meet 2/2/2013 chat log

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5:59 PM <kylemcd> party people!
5:59 PM <admsyn> \o/
6:00 PM <admsyn> bilderbuchi-1: that's this? : https://gist.github.com/4698258
6:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yo, kyle!
6:00 PM <jvcleave> hello
6:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> @admsyn indeed...
6:00 PM <kylemcd> as usual we'll wait 10 min or so for arturo or theo (zach can't make it), then go ahead ayway if they don't show
6:02 PM <bilderbuchi-1> sure
6:03 PM <bilderbuchi-1> automated git is such a headache sometimes... so many edgecases and stuff you subconsciously do when doing it manually..
6:03 PM <bilderbuchi-1> @admsyn: scroll all the way down here: https://github.com/bilderbuchi/openFrameworks/pull/1 and click the little dots beside the commit sha'S
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6:04 PM <admsyn> bilderbuchi-1: oh neat, didn't know github could do stuff like that
6:04 PM <bilderbuchi-1> it's not githun
6:04 PM <bilderbuchi-1> *b
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6:04 PM <bilderbuchi-1> or what do you mean?
6:04 PM <bilderbuchi-1> ah yes, that's github ^^
6:04 PM <bilderbuchi-1> the so-called Status API
6:04 PM <admsyn> oh gotcha
6:05 PM <admsyn> but that's just hooking into some git functionality?
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6:06 PM <bilderbuchi-1> well yeah, I'm pulling down any updates to PRs onto my PC, run verification, then check for code style, make a patch file from this, create a gist, and make a Status linking to to the gist
6:06 PM <bilderbuchi-1> currently it's some sweet 400-ish lines of python
6:07 PM <admsyn> nice
6:07 PM <admsyn> lol @ ofbot's avatar
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6:07 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah, that's on @benben i guess :D
6:07 PM <jvcleave> i watched this github secrets thing a while back - you can connect to a github repo with svn - blew my mind
6:08 PM <bilderbuchi-1> hehe. you should read the GH blog from time to time..
6:09 PM <bilderbuchi-1> did you know this: https://github.com/blog/1375-task-lists-in-gfm-issues-pulls-comments
6:09 PM <admsyn> what
6:09 PM <admsyn> that's great
6:10 PM <jvcleave> is there a secret to soft wrap code formatting?
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6:10 PM <admsyn> I love it when some feature pops out of git / github that just happens to complement exactly what I do
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6:11 PM <kylemcd> i just texted arturo+theo, let's start in 2 min
6:11 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah they do that often... but also the other way round: this throws a wrench into our working process: https://github.com/blog/1386-closing-issues-via-commit-messages
6:12 PM <admsyn> because default is master, but issues are considered closed when they show up in dev?
6:13 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah, because they now only autoclose when they land in master
6:13 PM <admsyn> :/
6:14 PM <bilderbuchi-1> but for us they're closed when in develop. that's what you get for non-granular bug states, but well. (fix-committed and fix-released would solve this problem neatly)
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6:14 PM <kylemcd> hey!
6:14 PM <bilderbuchi-1> hey theo
6:14 PM <ofTheo> sorry
6:14 PM <ofTheo> was in #ofdev
6:14 PM <ofTheo> :/
6:14 PM <kylemcd> ah oldschool
6:15 PM <ofTheo> totally
6:15 PM <ofTheo> but I didn't see anyone there - thanks jvcleave!
6:15 PM <bilderbuchi-1> anybody eleft over there?
6:15 PM <jvcleave> I still have it on autojoin
6:15 PM <ofTheo> nope - I think it was just me :(
6:15 PM <kylemcd> yeah i can't figure out how to remove autojoin on colloquy... :)
6:15 PM <joshuajnoble> don't worry theo, i did the same thing :)
6:15 PM <kylemcd> cool, let's get started!
6:15 PM <jvcleave> you right click the room
6:15 PM <bilderbuchi-1> great!
6:16 PM <kylemcd> i rearranged the order slightly:
6:16 PM <kylemcd> http://piratepad.net/ofdev-2-feb
6:16 PM <kylemcd> first up:
6:16 PM <kylemcd> - Release 0.7.4 is overdue
6:16 PM <kylemcd> tis true
6:16 PM <kylemcd> we have bug fixes in windows that are pretty important
6:16 PM <kylemcd> the goal from the last meeting was to release 0.7.4 asap
6:17 PM <ofTheo> is their anything in 0073 that is super bad right now?
6:17 PM <kylemcd> i think zach wanted to fix a few more little things before releasing though, and it got held up?
6:17 PM <ofTheo> or is 0073 pretty stable?
6:17 PM <kylemcd> the timing bug is an issue in windows 0073
6:17 PM <ofTheo> ahh okay.
6:18 PM <ofTheo> I think CB 12.11 support is pretty key
6:18 PM <kylemcd> i think there was something else too, but that one stands out
6:18 PM <kylemcd> yes
6:18 PM <ofTheo> I'm going to look at videoinput and opencv tomorrow
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6:18 PM <benben> hi!
6:18 PM <kylemcd> ok, is there anything else besides rebuilding a few libs for cb 12.11?
6:18 PM <kylemcd> hey benben
6:18 PM <benben> sorry a little late
6:18 PM <ofTheo> good thing about 12.11 is it has new gcc which = no weird opencv crashes
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6:19 PM <ofTheo> https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/issues?milestone=10&state=open
6:19 PM <bilderbuchi-1> some work on homepage and release scripts for the new versioning system. but no biggie I think, just needs the proper people
6:19 PM <ofTheo> a couple of iphone issues and the QTKit issue I opened
6:20 PM <ofTheo> I have a fix for the qtkit stuff and the other stuff I think is pretty quick
6:20 PM <kylemcd> ok, so it looks like you have some of this handled, but who else do you need help from?
6:20 PM <bilderbuchi-1> Q: who will do the C::B stuff?
6:21 PM <ofTheo> zach asked me to compile opencv and videoinput for C::B 12.11
6:21 PM <ofTheo> I can do that tomorrow
6:22 PM <bilderbuchi-1> great :-)
6:22 PM <ofTheo> I think he has done the other stuff
6:22 PM <kylemcd> ok cool, and is the ofQTKitMovieGrabber latency essential?
6:22 PM <kylemcd> is there a clear fix?
6:22 PM <ofTheo> its fixed
6:22 PM <kylemcd> cool
6:22 PM <ofTheo> just need to do a PR
6:23 PM <ofTheo> and I pinged arturo / julpay about the camera stuff
6:23 PM <kylemcd> perfect
6:23 PM <kylemcd> was just about to mention
6:23 PM <ofTheo> they also have it fixed - it just needs to be PR'd
6:23 PM <kylemcd> and ofxiPhoneImagePicker?
6:23 PM <ofTheo> that can be pushed back to 0.07.5
6:24 PM <kylemcd> ok cool, can you push it christoph?
6:24 PM <kylemcd> so we're <1 week from 0.7.4 then?
6:24 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah
6:24 PM <ofTheo> I think so
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6:24 PM <bilderbuchi-1> done
6:25 PM <ofTheo> anything on the packagin side of things?
6:25 PM <kylemcd> theo, after you compile the libs tomorrow can you ping the list with your status? that way if there's anything we can help with we can keep moving on it
6:25 PM <obviousjim> hi!
6:25 PM <ofTheo> or PG Simple?
6:25 PM <ofTheo> will do!
6:25 PM <kylemcd> i think we can use the same packaging technique as 0073 right?
6:25 PM <bilderbuchi-1> > anything on the packagin side of things?
6:25 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah some changes will be necessary for the new version system
6:25 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I guess
6:25 PM <ofTheo> for the script I think?
6:25 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yes
6:26 PM <ofTheo> so it sounds like most things can be done in a couple of days
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6:26 PM <bilderbuchi-1> agreed
6:26 PM <kylemcd> cool, i'll ping zach to ask if there's anything with pg simple
6:26 PM <kylemcd> next!
6:26 PM <kylemcd> - Community page / website changes ? cc caitlin
6:27 PM <ofTheo> yeah - I was just curious what was happening with the community stuff
6:27 PM <caitlin_> hey
6:27 PM <kylemcd> @caitlin_ what's the status there? how can we help / what do you want to do next?
6:27 PM <caitlin_> yeah - i got kind of stalemated because of having some recurring problems getting the site to run / update locally
6:28 PM <caitlin_> probably could be resolved by about 10 mins of sitting down with someone in brooklyn / nyc area
6:28 PM <caitlin_> i have some updates (as discussed in last-last meeting) ready to go in, but the site gets buggy (locally) when i make any edits so i think i'm going about it the wrong way
6:29 PM <ofTheo> ahh okay - also if running the site locally is getting in the way of making things happen - screenshots / pasted html via gist is also totally fine!
6:29 PM <ofTheo> :)
6:29 PM <kylemcd> yeah, and i might be able to sit down with you, or james, or someone else in brooklyn
6:29 PM <caitlin_> ok cool - ideally i'd like to get it running myself so i'm not always bugging other people when i have changes :) but that may be a good starting point
6:30 PM <bilderbuchi-1> probably once the setup's correct it will be smooth sailing to have it locally
6:30 PM <obviousjim> yeah i can try to help!
6:30 PM <caitlin_> yeah i figured, most likely something is weird with my file paths but i'm totally unfamiliar with blogofile so i think that's what's stopping me up
6:30 PM <jvcleave> the pythin stuff can be tricky - we ran into that at ofdev - would be cool to know what setup works easily to get it going local
6:30 PM <ofTheo> I'm not sure how the process is but screenshots / quick mockups are also totally good to pass around
6:30 PM <bilderbuchi-1> if you need help on the git/github/PR side of things, just ping me
6:31 PM <caitlin_> @james - thinkpad / web help swap? :)
6:31 PM <obviousjim> exactly ;)
6:31 PM <kylemcd> ok, cool
6:31 PM <ofTheo> I think the important thing is that things don't sit too long and start to dissipate .
6:31 PM <kylemcd> yeah agreed
6:31 PM <caitlin_> yeah - there are definitely changes ready to go in that i'd like to get active on
6:32 PM <caitlin_> i think getting over the initial setup bumps will make things go more smoothly
6:32 PM <obviousjim> @caitlin_ hit me up and we can give it a look. Greg B may also be a good help, he's sort of becoming the creative code web guru
6:32 PM <kylemcd> if you can document some of those issues you're having and add them to the readme that's also super helpful
6:32 PM <bilderbuchi-1> did you guys see that guy on the forum who made a pdf and epub out of the OF docs?
6:32 PM <obviousjim> cuz i may get stuck as well
6:32 PM <caitlin_> esp with semesters starting up and new students getting into the site
6:32 PM <kylemcd> @bilderbuchi-1 i didn't!
6:32 PM <caitlin_> me either
6:33 PM <bilderbuchi-1> searching the link...
6:33 PM <bilderbuchi-1> http://forum.openframeworks.cc/index.php/topic,11938.0.html
6:34 PM <kylemcd> this is rad!
6:34 PM <joshuajnoble> fwiw I think having docs in the download is a great idea. i'd prefer HTML for easier nav but that might be just me
6:34 PM <bilderbuchi-1> original thread: http://forum.openframeworks.cc/index.php/topic,11899.msg52457.html#msg52457
6:34 PM <kylemcd> some of the ugliest typesetting ever... but so cool
6:34 PM <bilderbuchi-1> i like epub, for my e-reader. haven't tried it though
6:34 PM <kylemcd> there are some bugs too with the way the indexing works in the pdf, it looks like...
6:34 PM <kylemcd> but this is in the right direction
6:34 PM <bilderbuchi-1> my question was: didn't we at one point already have a downloadable version?
6:35 PM <kylemcd> we had a placeholder link, i don't think we ever actually generated it
6:35 PM <bilderbuchi-1> ah ic
6:35 PM <caitlin_> yeah this is awesome, i've pre-loaded reference pages for flights & things way too many times
6:35 PM <ofTheo> yeah - the pdf needs a designers eye
6:35 PM <ofTheo> but something we should be doing for sure
6:35 PM <bilderbuchi-1> well, the guy just went and did it while we are here talking about if it looks good....  ;-)
6:36 PM <kylemcd> so this is somewhere between dayan and caitlin, so i'll move onto the next topic...
6:36 PM <kylemcd> - Documentation - update what is the status? cc dayan/via kyle
6:36 PM <kylemcd> dayan can't make this meeting, but i've been emailing with him intermittently while he's working on the documentation infrastructure
6:37 PM <ofTheo> it would be great if he could be periodically posting updates to the dev list
6:37 PM <ofTheo> otherwise it seems nothing is happening
6:37 PM <kylemcd> that could be good, i think it's just been moving slowly so there's not much to say right now :)
6:37 PM <ofTheo> okay - I think its good to try and get updates on these things
6:37 PM <kylemcd> but the general idea is still that we'll use the OF github wiki to edit the documentation
6:38 PM <timothy_s> what system is in place for generating the documentation? it's not coming from the source files is it?
6:38 PM <kylemcd> no, it's coming from the ofSite repo
6:38 PM <ofTheo> the positions are 6 month positions technically - so if nothing happens for 6 months do we look to someone else?
6:38 PM <joshuajnoble> i'll get in touch with him too and see if i can help. i'm done in book-world so obviously the rational person decides to write more documentation, right?
6:38 PM <ofTheo> ")
6:38 PM <kylemcd> right now if you want to contribute documentation you have to fork the repo, edit the page, and do a PR
6:38 PM <ofTheo> that would be awesome
6:39 PM <kylemcd> but with the wiki, anyone with an account can edit it
6:39 PM <kylemcd> there are some practical issues he's solving right now
6:39 PM <kylemcd> like how linking works -- there's wiki links, and absolute urls, and relative urls
6:39 PM <bilderbuchi-1> >right now if you want to contribute documentation you have to fork the repo, edit the page, and do a PR
6:39 PM <bilderbuchi-1> GIthub does all that automatically for you...
6:39 PM <ofTheo> okay - I think updates are good to ask for though - especially as it allows others to jump in and help
6:39 PM <kylemcd> yes, github makes it easier, but it's still not quite seamless / there's still some overhead involved
6:39 PM <ofTheo> ie: what josh just said
6:40 PM <timothy_s> im sure this was discussed before, but is it a matter of source size to not have it live in the source code?
6:40 PM <kylemcd> ok, i'll ask him to ping the list with his status
6:40 PM <kylemcd> timothy_s it's more a matter of personal preference on the side of the core team, i think?
6:40 PM <ofTheo> @kyle I think this would be a good thing to ask for all the section leaders
6:41 PM <kylemcd> @ofTheo you mean pinging the list?
6:41 PM <ofTheo> just simply a once a month status update
6:41 PM <ofTheo> yup!
6:41 PM <kylemcd> or getting their opinion on inline documentation?
6:41 PM <kylemcd> :)
6:41 PM <bilderbuchi-1> :D
6:41 PM <ofTheo> where they are at - what they are working on
6:41 PM <kylemcd> i think most section leaders don't have significant changes each month to report
6:41 PM <bilderbuchi-1> or have them sitting in PRs
6:41 PM <ofTheo> I think the more other people on the list know about efforts being made - it will allow others to contribute
6:42 PM <bilderbuchi-1> agreed
6:42 PM <kylemcd> hmm ofTheo i'm a little concerned about creating more noise
6:42 PM <ofTheo> once a month is not noise
6:42 PM <ofTheo> :)
6:42 PM <kylemcd> i think right now people report their problems as they come up, hop in when there are issues on github
6:42 PM <caitlin_> maybe one monthly "updates" email thread
6:42 PM <caitlin_> to consolidate
6:42 PM <kylemcd> caitlin_ that's more reasonable
6:42 PM <ofTheo> sounds perfect.
6:43 PM <bilderbuchi-1> who will curate/compose it? :-)
6:43 PM <caitlin_> i can do that
6:43 PM <ofTheo> but I just get worried that people disappear - ie I had no idea what the status really was with the docs
6:43 PM <kylemcd> what if theo/zach/arturo send a collective email at the beginning of the month describing what they've been working on, and all the section leaders reply to it?
6:44 PM <bilderbuchi-1> well that's your noise, right there...
6:44 PM <bilderbuchi-1> with fragmented discussion, etc...
6:44 PM <obviousjim> I feel like if there isn't 'natural' announcements, then the replies would feel forced
6:44 PM <kylemcd> hmm yeah, you're right. i was thinking maybe it would be good if TAZ set the tone / lead by example
6:44 PM <ofTheo> we can talk about a good way to do this later - but I think something simple once a month could be good
6:44 PM <kylemcd> obviousjim that's my feeling too
6:45 PM <kylemcd> ok cool, i'll note it on the piratepad
6:45 PM <ofTheo> its worth trying anyway :)
6:45 PM <bilderbuchi-1> we could sync it with an after-action report after a bug/mergefest?
6:45 PM <admsyn> would this be a good thing for the wiki? You have time-of-edit, etc to establish timelines and discussion can migrate to the list if there's things to discuss?
6:45 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I think nobody reads the wiki for montly updates..
6:45 PM <ofTheo> I'll send my notes/thoughts on this to the list - I don't want to sidetrack the meeting
6:45 PM <obviousjim> what if we just make a page with the section leader's twitter, filtered by the hashtag #openframeworks?
6:45 PM <obviousjim> that way we can just passively surveil everyone.
6:46 PM <kylemcd> also, caitlin_ your offer to curate has been noted :)
6:46 PM <bilderbuchi-1> not everyone has twitter ;-)
6:46 PM <obviousjim> oh right ;) i always forget that
6:46 PM <bilderbuchi-1> :P
6:46 PM <kylemcd> next!
6:46 PM <kylemcd> - Status of the new forum? cc jvcleave
6:46 PM <kylemcd> ahhh whoops
6:46 PM <jvcleave> yep
6:46 PM <kylemcd> one sec
6:46 PM <kylemcd> i forgot one thing
6:47 PM <kylemcd> http://wiki.openframeworks.cc
6:47 PM <ofTheo> password?
6:47 PM <ofTheo> ;)
6:47 PM <ofTheo> sorry
6:47 PM <bilderbuchi-1> kill it with fire, I say :P
6:47 PM <kylemcd> we need help destroying that wiki
6:47 PM <ofTheo> just curious - why?
6:47 PM <kylemcd> there is some good stuff in there, and some good records
6:47 PM <kylemcd> but we need to consolidate it into the places they belong
6:47 PM <kylemcd> it's still a ghetto
6:48 PM <kylemcd> we have tutorials on the site, and half-mirrored on this old wiki
6:48 PM <bilderbuchi-1> and there's stuff on the github wiki, too
6:48 PM <ofTheo> make it read-only and have a big header with links to how to contirbute
6:48 PM <ofTheo> ?
6:48 PM <kylemcd> right
6:48 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I think we should consolidate..
6:48 PM <kylemcd> at some point we need to remove any official links to the wiki, and add a header
6:48 PM <kylemcd> yes, exactly ofTheo
6:48 PM <kylemcd> but again: we need help with this
6:48 PM <benben> +1 for header with link to gh-wiki
6:48 PM <kylemcd> if there's something that is already mirrored, we should actually delete it
6:49 PM <kylemcd> e.g., some of the tutorials have been moved to the OF site
6:49 PM <kylemcd> other stuff will never have a place to live (event listings) and we can leave them there but not point anyone to it
6:49 PM <kylemcd> i don't want to make this dayan's responsibility, so we need some volunteers to help comb this old wiki
6:50 PM <kylemcd> who is up for it?
6:50 PM <obviousjim> Is it supposed to be a mirror?
6:50 PM <caitlin_> event listings meaning things like upcoming conferences, meetups etc?
6:50 PM <obviousjim> of the other wiki, or how does it fit in.
6:50 PM <kylemcd> ah, let me re-explain
6:50 PM <ofTheo> do we want to wait till there is a clear guide on how to contribute content?
6:50 PM <kylemcd> sorry it wasn't clear
6:51 PM <ofTheo> right now we have things in a lot of places
6:51 PM <ofTheo> ie we have the wiki
6:51 PM <ofTheo> we have the docs page
6:51 PM <ofTheo> and we have http://www.openframeworks.cc/tutorials/maths/
6:51 PM <ofTheo> * ( new wiki )
6:51 PM <bilderbuchi-1> and the GH wiki
6:51 PM <obviousjim> seems to me it has archival value (i.e. the events like you say)
6:51 PM <ofTheo> right sorry - what I  meant
6:51 PM <kylemcd> go ahead
6:51 PM <ofTheo> I would rather not delete it
6:51 PM <ofTheo> just lock it and guide people over
6:52 PM <ofTheo> make it super clear where/how to put guides/tutorials events etc
6:52 PM <ofTheo> also maybe make the GH wiki more visible on the OF homepage
6:52 PM <ofTheo> is there a direct link to GH wiki? from OF
6:52 PM <kylemcd> i think i mostly agree with you ofTheo, but here's my ideal:
6:53 PM <caitlin_> there was discussion of putting events on the community page as well, since it seems like a lot of people are always wondering how/where to hear about them
6:53 PM <kylemcd> 1 any links to wiki.openframeworks.cc are removed
6:53 PM <kylemcd> 2 the "wiki" link reroutes to the github wiki
6:53 PM <kylemcd> 3 we crawl wiki.openframeworks.cc for content that is already mirrored, and remove it
6:54 PM <kylemcd> 3 we crawl wiki.openframeworks.cc for content that could be mirrored / placed somewhere better, and mirror + remove it
6:54 PM <kylemcd> heh, 4
6:54 PM <kylemcd> 5 we add a header saying "this is archival and has no helpful information you can't find elsewhere"
6:54 PM <kylemcd> the thing i'm trying to fight against is this feeling that people get with OF
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6:55 PM <kylemcd> where every now and then you see something hidden deep somewhere
6:55 PM <kylemcd> and you think "oh look at all this stuff i've never seen before!"
6:55 PM <ofTheo> totally!
6:55 PM <kylemcd> it makes OF feel messy and disorganized
6:55 PM <ofTheo> I agree with 12 and 5
6:55 PM <ofTheo> I would say before 3 or 4
6:55 PM <ofTheo> would be great to port all the wiki.of.cc content over
6:56 PM <kylemcd> that's a precondition for 3 and 4
6:56 PM <kylemcd> certainly
6:56 PM <ofTheo> I think we could lock wiki.of.cc and actually make it look super deprecated
6:56 PM <kylemcd> but without removing the content, we still have people bookmarking it, sharing it, etc
6:56 PM <ofTheo> without deleting anything
6:56 PM <kylemcd> even if it looks terrible
6:56 PM <ofTheo> yup but it will die off quick
6:56 PM <kylemcd> never underestimate people's hunger for poorly-formatted knowledge
6:57 PM <ofTheo> if we've done a good job with the new wiki / tutotirals
6:57 PM <ofTheo> right now - its impossible to know there is a new wiki
6:57 PM <ofTheo> so I would just say lets make the new stuff really good
6:57 PM <kylemcd> ok. the main thing is that we need to port everything we can. regardless of whether we delete it.
6:57 PM <ofTheo> totally
6:57 PM <kylemcd> so let's start there
6:57 PM <ofTheo> I imagine that could even be automated
6:57 PM <ofTheo> somewhat
6:57 PM <kylemcd> and then i'll bug you again about why we need to delete the mirrored items ;)
6:58 PM <ofTheo> of course :)
6:58 PM <ofTheo> you are the fast bandaid puller
6:58 PM <kylemcd> anyway, we need volunteers for crawling the wiki
6:58 PM <kylemcd> i can mention this on the list
6:58 PM <kylemcd> next!
6:58 PM <kylemcd> jvcleave, please
6:58 PM <jvcleave> alright - cool
6:58 PM <jvcleave> I did the upgrade to SMF (the current forum) on my staging server that some of you have seen - since then it was decided to move away from SMF
6:59 PM <jvcleave> The new forum use Vanilla forums which looks good - similar style markdown to github
6:59 PM <jvcleave> Arturo has done all of that -  he waiting for the new release for a bug fix - once that is out he is going to send to dev-list for testing
6:59 PM <ofTheo> it seems a lot cleaner/snappier than SMF
6:59 PM <jvcleave> I gave some feedback on moving some categories around but we can discuss those details in testing phase
6:59 PM <ofTheo> also more modern too.
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7:00 PM <joshuajnoble> huge thanks for doing all that work
7:00 PM <kylemcd> yes
7:00 PM <joshuajnoble> it's very very nice
7:00 PM <kylemcd> it's been a long time coming
7:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah, that'Ss great
7:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> spam filter?
7:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> cause the spam is getting worse...
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7:01 PM <ofTheo> perfect timing
7:01 PM <ofTheo> :)
7:01 PM <kylemcd> :)
7:01 PM <ofarturo> :)
7:01 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I guess there's only so much you can do, but a nicer spam filter would be rad
7:01 PM <bilderbuchi-1> hey arturo
7:01 PM <jvcleave> well - arturo is doing the vanilla stuff - it's like the ofSite where it is on github - hey ofarturo
7:02 PM <ofarturo> yes the code is in github, so it'll be easier to add modifications, the current one is broken because we've modified the code and cannot be updated anymore
7:02 PM <kylemcd> ggrreeeeaaat
7:02 PM <ofarturo> https://github.com/arturoc/offorum
7:03 PM <jvcleave> I mentioned you were waiting on a vanilla bug fix
7:03 PM <ofarturo> they are supposed to release a stable version soon
7:04 PM <kylemcd> cool
7:04 PM <kylemcd> if there's anything you guys need help with, let us know
7:04 PM <ofarturo> the current one is ok though but i want to add a new editor, probably markdown, the default one is html so it's hard to post even with the rich text editor there's no buttons for code for example
7:05 PM <ofarturo> here's the forum: http://forumtests.no-ip.org/
7:05 PM <pizthewiz> awesome, and it even has the existing SMF content
7:05 PM <ofTheo> it could use a little css love too :)
7:05 PM <ofarturo> :)
7:05 PM <kylemcd> it actually looks great to me :)
7:06 PM <kylemcd> like it's very readable on any device
7:06 PM <kylemcd> but yeah maybe a little more style to visually separate chunks of things
7:06 PM <ofTheo> yeah my thoughts too - just small stuff
7:06 PM <kylemcd> cool, you want to take a shot ofTheo?
7:07 PM <ofTheo> I'll wait till we have the new vanilla release - then do some tweaks
7:07 PM <kylemcd> ok awesome
7:07 PM <kylemcd> next!
7:07 PM <jvcleave> I think we can move some categories around too but I can give those details/feedback when we do the dev list discussion
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7:07 PM <kylemcd> quick 1-minute interjection item
7:07 PM <kylemcd> - removing ancient repos [kyle]
7:07 PM <bilderbuchi-1> +1 to that :-)
7:07 PM <kylemcd> e.g. https://github.com/openframeworks/ofxOpenCv
7:08 PM <kylemcd> can we do this yet?
7:08 PM <kylemcd> i can never remember why we haven't
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7:08 PM <kylemcd> everything except openFrameworks and ofSite
7:08 PM <obviousjim> I remember Arturo had a good reason why last year at of dev con… can't recall it though
7:08 PM <ofTheo> I think we can!
7:08 PM <kylemcd> hah hah
7:08 PM <obviousjim> maybe make them private? (archival reasons...)
7:08 PM <ofTheo> good idea
7:08 PM <obviousjim> i guess that would require a paid account
7:08 PM <ofTheo> oh
7:08 PM <ofTheo> :)
7:09 PM <obviousjim> github also supports transferring repo ownership
7:09 PM <ofarturo> yes, let's remove them, there's some history that was there that is not in the main of repo but i don't think we are going to join them anymore now
7:09 PM <kylemcd> yessss!
7:09 PM <obviousjim> so we could transfer them to some obscure free of-archive github account
7:09 PM <ofTheo> nice
7:09 PM <obviousjim> sweeeet
7:09 PM <kylemcd> christoph do you have the openframeworks pwd? or i can do it
7:09 PM <bilderbuchi-1> no i dont
7:09 PM <kylemcd> ok, i'll do it (unless you want to ofTheo or ofarturo)
7:10 PM <ofarturo> no it's ok go for it
7:10 PM <ofarturo> btw, this is the theme for the forum: https://github.com/arturoc/ofForum/tree/release/2.1b1/themes/of
7:10 PM <ofTheo> anyone is fine - they just have to promise to do a little dance after its done
7:10 PM <kylemcd> hah hah
7:10 PM <kylemcd> ok i'll do the dance!
7:10 PM <ofTheo> :)
7:10 PM <kylemcd> next! super important:
7:10 PM <kylemcd> - Regular bugfix/merge drive is on Sat, Feb 9th [christoph]
7:10 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah, bug/merge drives. at the last devmeet we decided to have regular merge fests two weeks after devmeets. on the first one, last month, the turnout was 2 people (me and @admsyn, thanks again!), I was pretty disappointed.
7:11 PM — admsyn waves
7:11 PM <bilderbuchi-1> you can't have a PR merge drive with two people, and with no-one actually authorized (i.e. TAZ) there.
7:11 PM <kylemcd> i wanted to request: arturo, or theo (or zach, i can bug him) do you think one of you three could make it to the next one?
7:11 PM <ofTheo> next week should be good though
7:11 PM <kylemcd> ok awesome
7:11 PM <ofTheo> we could aim to release next sunday
7:12 PM <ofTheo> so merge drive sat and final 0.07.4 stuff at the same time?
7:12 PM <kylemcd> let's do it
7:12 PM <bilderbuchi-1> my hope is that by having those regularly, we can reduce the number of stale PRs and the number of open bugs, too
7:12 PM <bilderbuchi-1> and get more people involved in contributing
7:12 PM <ofTheo> great - twitter annoucement?
7:12 PM <bilderbuchi-1> and having a "regular" thing could be good for community and spirit...
7:12 PM <kylemcd> (i might be able to attend saturday or sunday, but not sure yet)
7:12 PM <kylemcd> yes, i can make sure there's a twitter announcement
7:13 PM <bilderbuchi-1> we should also post it over the list, since most of the probable participants are there.
7:14 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I think it could be fun if we hit a critical mass of people. the last one, last year, was much fun, and had a noticeable impression, too
7:15 PM <bilderbuchi-1> but we need some core backing/regular attendance, else it's pretty pointless as a mergefest
7:16 PM <dantheman> oy did I miss this
7:16 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I guess all I'm asking is for some effort from everyone, and we could get this to lift off.
7:16 PM <bilderbuchi-1> next!
7:17 PM <jvcleave> hey
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7:18 PM <obviousjim> buchi my suggestion is focusing on some aspect
7:18 PM <obviousjim> giving it a theme
7:18 PM <jvcleave> I added the topic to the piratepad to discuss the the ofDrawCircle stuff here
7:18 PM <jvcleave> to recap
7:18 PM <obviousjim> I know i was most motivated when 10.8 came out and we had to scramble to fix something
7:18 PM <jvcleave> the idea for this is to rename a few functions in ofGraphics.h to reflect the actual operations (e.g. ofRect => ofDrawRectangle, ofCircle => ofDrawCircle)use the new deprecate mechanism for transition
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7:19 PM <obviousjim> so maybe if we say the merge fest isn't just "fix bugs" but say "let's address a priority" and make sure the section leader responsible for that aspect is also there. That creates an obligation and also a goal
7:19 PM <dantheman> that sounds like a interesting approach
7:19 PM <bilderbuchi-1> hm. i don't know... people who are no fit will then stay away..
7:20 PM <bilderbuchi-1> "a macos mergefest? nah I'll pass, just have a linux machine..."
7:21 PM <bilderbuchi-1> but I agree, some additional motivation factor would be great
7:21 PM <obviousjim> Sorry I cut you off Jason
7:21 PM <jvcleave> no problem
7:21 PM <jvcleave> The of-dev list discussion started to lead to bigger topics so I opened up a github issue to for the simpler part - just to "bring it to the floor"
7:22 PM <jvcleave> I thought I would add it to the topics today to discuss - ofTheo - any thoughts?
7:22 PM <elliotwoods> hey y'all
7:22 PM <obviousjim> sup elliot
7:22 PM <bilderbuchi-1> hey
7:22 PM <ofTheo> about the draws stuff?
7:22 PM <elliotwoods> i've been a robot up until now
7:23 PM <elliotwoods> heyas jim + chris!
7:23 PM <jvcleave> ofTheo - yeah
7:23 PM <kylemcd> sorry, i was having some connection issues
7:23 PM <kylemcd> let's def move on to the draw stuff
7:23 PM <kylemcd> jvcleave?
7:23 PM <ofTheo> I think the logic makes sense - I would be curious to know what zach thinks as it moves away from the processing style a lot of the early OF was based off of
7:24 PM <elliotwoods> we talking API ? :)
7:24 PM <ofTheo> it would need to be a pretty long deprecation period
7:24 PM <ofTheo> I guess so :)
7:24 PM <kylemcd> pasting relevant links again:
7:24 PM <kylemcd> - Discuss ofDrawCircle, etc (should we implement?, if so - when?)[jvcleave]
7:24 PM <kylemcd> http://dev.openframeworks.cc/pipermail/of-dev-openframeworks.cc/2013-January/thread.html#6377
7:24 PM <elliotwoods> using ofLegacy;
7:24 PM <kylemcd> https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/issues/1826
7:24 PM <ofTheo> but all the examples could be easily updated
7:24 PM <jvcleave> In the dev-list thread he was interested to provide clarity
7:24 PM <ofTheo> haha
7:25 PM <elliotwoods> me and kyle were joking about having like
7:25 PM <elliotwoods> using namespace 0071;
7:25 PM <elliotwoods> or using namespace 005;
7:25 PM <kylemcd> heh heh
7:25 PM <kylemcd> ofTheo what do you think zach would say?
7:26 PM <ofTheo> I think he would be up for it - but I think we would need to support ofCircle for a long time :)
7:26 PM <kylemcd> how do you think he would resolve it?
7:26 PM <kylemcd> :)
7:26 PM <ofTheo> its some of the most fundamental / used code in OF
7:26 PM <ofTheo> also for things like Josh's book
7:26 PM <kylemcd> right
7:27 PM <kylemcd> i'm curious to hear from caitlin_ obviousjim and ther instructors what they think about the ambiguity between things like ofRect and ofRectangle
7:27 PM <kylemcd> ther = other -- i'm interested in the learning/teaching side
7:27 PM <obviousjim> i can say that i personally mess it up all the time
7:28 PM <obviousjim> even when giving lectures ;) how embarrassing!
7:28 PM <ofTheo> me too :)
7:28 PM <caitlin_> yeah i think the clarity of verb/noun would be super helpful
7:28 PM <ofTheo> why doesn't this draw!
7:28 PM <jvcleave> the clear difference in my mind is that the ofDrawCircle, etc don't create objects - it also gives a little insight to the underlying state machine
7:28 PM <obviousjim> i am fine with a  long term deprecation strategy
7:28 PM <obviousjim> ofRect() can still work
7:28 PM <timothy_s_>  find myself instantiating ofRects and drawing ofRectangles sometimes
7:29 PM <ofTheo> I'm big +1 for new naming -
7:29 PM <ofTheo> updating examples etc
7:29 PM <elliotwoods> how radical?
7:29 PM <ofTheo> but we would need to leave in old methods for a long time
7:29 PM <kylemcd> so just to be clear, the "new naming" would be that everything that draws says "draw"?
7:29 PM <ofTheo> but again would love to get zach's take on it
7:29 PM <bilderbuchi-1> not a problem, though, with the deprecation macro?
7:29 PM <ofTheo> ofDrawCircle
7:29 PM <ofTheo> ofDrawRect etc
7:29 PM <timothy_s_> what about the overloaded ofDraw(...)
7:30 PM <timothy_s_> in addition
7:30 PM <elliotwoods> using namespace processing;
7:30 PM <ofarturo> i think apart from deprecating perhaps we could move them to a different header so we can remove those kind of things if we don't use them easily and even keep them longer even if they are not included by default so old projects still work just by including that header
7:30 PM <ofTheo> :)
7:30 PM <ofarturo> btw, zach was ok with this he told in the dev list
7:30 PM <bilderbuchi-1> ofLegacy.h?
7:30 PM <elliotwoods> why not using?
7:30 PM <dantheman> ^^
7:30 PM <ofTheo> cool
7:30 PM <ofTheo> ofLegacy.h
7:30 PM <ofTheo> love it
7:30 PM <admsyn> ofProcessingStyleAPI.h?
7:30 PM <bilderbuchi-1> :-)
7:30 PM <elliotwoods> so now will always be the future
7:31 PM <elliotwoods> and 2012 will always be the recent past?
7:31 PM <elliotwoods> legacy is going to be a pretty recycled term...
7:31 PM <ofTheo> but #define OF_LEGACY takes away 3D
7:31 PM <dantheman> 8 bit only?
7:31 PM <jvcleave> should we milestone the issue? I think that is what would kick it off to start changing examples, etc
7:31 PM <ofTheo> sure - 0.8 ?
7:31 PM <bilderbuchi-1> then do it the other way round, python-like,
7:31 PM <bilderbuchi-1> from __future__ import ofDrawCircle :D
7:32 PM <elliotwoods> haha
7:32 PM <kylemcd> it's interesting that processing doesn't have this problem only because it doesn't have shape objects like ofRectangle
7:32 PM <elliotwoods> from __beaurocracy__ import namespaces;
7:32 PM <ofarturo> yes i think if it wasn't for ofRectangle it would be ok
7:33 PM <obviousjim> I <3 shape objects
7:33 PM <elliotwoods> it becomes an OO vs procedural thing a little
7:33 PM <timothy_s_> ok its settled, get rid of ofRectangle
7:33 PM <elliotwoods> in ofxRay
7:33 PM <obviousjim> noooooo
7:33 PM <timothy_s_> :-p
7:33 PM <elliotwoods> i've got a ray, which can draw itself of course
7:33 PM <elliotwoods> so in OO, objects draw themselves
7:33 PM <elliotwoods> e.g. ofRectangle::draw()
7:33 PM <elliotwoods> we could even say
7:34 PM <elliotwoods> ofRectangle(x,y,w,h).draw()
7:34 PM <elliotwoods> but this is a design pattern which doesn't suit our nomad OO/procedural design
7:35 PM <ofTheo> pts = ofCircle.getIIntersection( ofLine(p1, p2) );
7:35 PM <kylemcd> personally i think the strong OO style is kind of nice (like what elliot just wrote)
7:35 PM <ofTheo> ;)
7:35 PM <ofarturo> actually in OO it isn't usually a good idea to mix data containers with presentation, so you would have renderer.draw(rectangle)
7:35 PM <elliotwoods> right
7:35 PM <obviousjim> +1 arturo
7:35 PM <ofarturo> which is what most draws in OF do
7:35 PM <elliotwoods> draw(ofRectangle(x,y,w,h))
7:35 PM <joshuajnoble> I think mixing the data type with the call to the drawing engine also confuses beginners
7:36 PM <elliotwoods> (could be a convenience function there)
7:36 PM <joshuajnoble> data container I mean.
7:36 PM <joshuajnoble> i mean, i agree with arturo :)
7:37 PM <benben> easy for beginners is more important than strictly be OOP, i think
7:37 PM <elliotwoods> conversely, i think defining an oF paradigm is the more important than both
7:38 PM <elliotwoods> the question being : what do we think is the best way to think about this problem, which can be universally applied, helps understanding, is powerful, is fast
7:39 PM <joshuajnoble> thingThatDraws.draw(thingToBeDrawn) is my fav both for explaining and for working with
7:39 PM <jvcleave> benben: yeah - this is just limited to renaming for clarity - no implementation changes
7:39 PM <kylemcd> [an aside: https://github.com/openframeworks?tab=repositories i'm doing a little dance]
7:39 PM <ofarturo> i think the current paradigm even if it's not explicitly said anywhere, is objects used internally + a functional api wrapping those objects, so something like renderer.draw(rectangle) actually is ofDraw(rectangle) which is easier and you can still use the full OO api
7:41 PM <ofarturo> + for primitives ofDrawRectangle ofDrawCircle... for convenience
7:41 PM <elliotwoods> that could make for an easy incremental change. it requires 4 more chars than ofDrawRectangle(
7:41 PM <obviousjim> sweeeet
7:41 PM <kylemcd> ofTheo how do you feel about that approach?
7:41 PM <kylemcd> there are some interesting cases too, like ofDraw(ofPixels)
7:42 PM <elliotwoods> could that be polymorphic? e.g. ofBaseArgumentlessDraw
7:42 PM <kylemcd> which answers a request zach had recently
7:42 PM <jvcleave> ofDrawCircle, etc also has some autocomplete benefits
7:42 PM <bilderbuchi-1> in the age of autocomplete I think it's more important to have a name tree which branches early, than short function names. ;-)
7:42 PM <ofTheo> yup -
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7:42 PM <ofTheo> ofDrawsSomething makes sense at the moment
7:42 PM <elliotwoods> (by 4 more, i meant not really important)
7:42 PM <admsyn> +1 for autocomplete-aware naming
7:43 PM <ofTheo> we don't have an ofLine or an ofCircle yet
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7:43 PM <ofTheo> ( as data objects )
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7:43 PM <kylemcd> well, let's get zach's thoughts on this too, but it seems like this is a good step... even if it breaks from processing in some ways
7:43 PM <ofTheo> yup - good to figure out the best way
7:43 PM <ofTheo> like that this has come up though
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7:44 PM <jvcleave> checkout the dev-list thread - he chimed in there
7:44 PM <kylemcd> i've always dreamt of being able to write line() or rect() in OF... but maybe it doesn't scale (unless you take a purely procedural approach)
7:44 PM <elliotwoods> core addon: ofxProcessingSyle
7:44 PM <kylemcd> i made that, elliot :)
7:44 PM <elliotwoods> ofxGangnamStyle
7:44 PM <kylemcd> https://github.com/kylemcdonald/openFrameworksDemos/tree/master/P52OF/src
7:45 PM <kylemcd> next!
7:45 PM <kylemcd> - Progress report on automated code style checker [christoph]
7:45 PM <kylemcd> (sorry this meeting is going a little long, i think we're almost done)
7:45 PM <elliotwoods> it gets long when i turn up..
7:45 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yeah
7:46 PM ofTheo → ofTheoAway
7:46 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I've written a program which automatically gets notified by Github if PRs are updated, fetches them, checks if they comply to the code style. If not, it creates a .patch file with which the PR submitter can easily correct code style. All this is displayed in the PR with the Status API, and a link to a gist with instructions and the patch file. Currently there's a first working version.
7:46 PM <elliotwoods> so agreed to propose ofDraw(..) and ofDraw??(..) to zach
7:46 PM <bilderbuchi-1> Some test results are here: https://github.com/bilderbuchi/openFrameworks/pull/1 Scroll all the way down, and check/click the little color circles beside the commit id! Also, note the upper section on the big green merge button.
7:46 PM <bilderbuchi-1> An exemplary gist looks like this: https://gist.github.com/4698483
7:47 PM <kylemcd> this would be amazing as some kind of plugin/app on github
7:47 PM <kylemcd> i don't know if they have an api for that
7:47 PM <bilderbuchi-1> what do you mean?
7:48 PM <kylemcd> instead of "merge this" there would be a "merge this with autoformatting" :)
7:48 PM <bilderbuchi-1> it's running locally here, but I'm using the github API ofc
7:48 PM <bilderbuchi-1> ah, well. i guess we can dream :P
7:48 PM <kylemcd> i mean, something that the submitter doesn't even need to know about
7:48 PM <bilderbuchi-1> but I think reducing it to one download and one pre-made git command it pretty good?
7:48 PM <kylemcd> yeah i think this is really good
7:49 PM <bilderbuchi-1> post-receive/commit hooks would be a possibility, but it can't run on Github afaik.
7:49 PM <bilderbuchi-1> we still have to run the checker somewhere else (I plan to use my NAS for that)
7:50 PM <timothy_s_> is there any guides for how to set up your ide to match the oF indentation/whitespace style? could be nice to have on the contributing to of page
7:50 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yes kinda.
7:50 PM <dantheman> timothy_s there are ways for each ide
7:50 PM <dantheman> eclipse has wonderful code formatting features
7:50 PM <dantheman> lol
7:50 PM <bilderbuchi-1> only tested way is with uncrustify, but there's a hook for xcode afaik, and i made a config fiel for eclipse, too
7:51 PM <bilderbuchi-1> https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/wiki/openFrameworks-Coding-style-guidelines
7:51 PM <kylemcd> a quick formatting q
7:51 PM <kylemcd> "Use tabs for indentation and set your tab width to 4 spaces."
7:51 PM <kylemcd> https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/wiki/oF-code-style
7:51 PM <kylemcd> i think most developers are using xcode4 at this point
7:52 PM <ofTheoAway> quickly - if this 'bot' works bilderbuchi-1 - it would be really nice to try out
7:52 PM <kylemcd> and xcode4 defaults to spaces for indentation, whereas i think xcode3 was tabs by default
7:52 PM <ofTheoAway> meant to say it would be amazing
7:52 PM <admsyn> kylemcd: you sure? I'm pretty sure it "prefers" tabs, and only reverts to spaces to cover the difference if necessary
7:52 PM <kylemcd> i'm pretty sure the commits i've seen from ofTheo + zach for the last year or so have all been spaces for indentation
7:53 PM <bilderbuchi-1> @ofTheoAway yeah agreed. it's as good as ready, some polishing, then all I need is a webhook from the OF repo
7:53 PM <kylemcd> admsyn i installed xcode4 from scratch a few weeks ago and i noticed it defaulting to spaces
7:53 PM <bilderbuchi-1> y'all can just ignore the status messages anyways, it does not touch the repo at all
7:53 PM <dantheman> it is the first in the drop down list
7:53 PM <admsyn> true, I guess I changed it to tabs so long ago I thought it was default (apologies)
7:54 PM <kylemcd> :) no apologies needed. i did the same thing.
7:54 PM <elliotwoods> sounds great bilderbuchi-1 !
7:55 PM <kylemcd> ofTheo what settings are you using in xcode right now for indentation
7:55 PM <kylemcd> er ofTheoAway.. :)
7:55 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I feel that this thing now enables us to pull the trigger on  formatting  all of OF, cause we have an easy way to bring the PRs in line
7:55 PM <elliotwoods> @bilderbuchi-1 - we're 100% confident about formatting now?
7:56 PM <elliotwoods> i presume it definitely doesn't cause any compile issues
7:56 PM <bilderbuchi-1> we have been for ages
7:56 PM <dantheman> bilderbuchi-1: you should take the rpi repo and run it through this thingy?
7:56 PM <elliotwoods> and it formats right
7:56 PM <elliotwoods> great
7:56 PM <elliotwoods> sorry, i'm a little out of touch
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7:56 PM <dantheman> I'm sure formatting is off as I end up using nano to make quick changes
7:56 PM <bilderbuchi-1> @dantheman could do. but I'm not sure what that will do to the merge into OF proper :D
7:57 PM <bilderbuchi-1> in any case, I basically just wanted to announce that this exists now, and we'll soon have those capabilities.
7:57 PM <kylemcd> awesome
7:57 PM <dantheman> its *should* just work bilderbuchi-1 :D
7:57 PM <kylemcd> this is a really clever solution to getting people to adopt the same conventions
7:57 PM <bilderbuchi-1> thanks. :-)
7:57 PM <kylemcd> easier that asking everyone to install the formatters
7:58 PM <elliotwoods> beuatiful!
7:58 PM <elliotwoods> next?
7:58 PM <bilderbuchi-1> you can say that again
7:58 PM <kylemcd> next and last
7:58 PM <bilderbuchi-1> @kyle
7:58 PM <bilderbuchi-1> that was the whole point ;-)
7:58 PM <kylemcd> :)
7:58 PM <kylemcd> very clever.
7:58 PM <kylemcd> - Getting operator rights for the IRC channels [christoph, adam]
7:58 PM <bilderbuchi-1> now all they need is being able to use git.
7:58 PM <kylemcd> it would also be cool to have an ofbot sitting on this channel, but i don't know where/how it would be hosted
7:58 PM <admsyn> this is pretty minor. Whoever registered #openframeworks did so ages ago, and registration has now lapsed (this channel is owned by "freenode-staff")
7:58 PM <elliotwoods> so just contact staff?
7:59 PM <bilderbuchi-1> yes but they want authentication
7:59 PM <admsyn> I spoke with them, and they wouldn't turn it over to me, since I don't run the project
7:59 PM <ofTheoAway> can you cc me with them?
7:59 PM <bilderbuchi-1> it was in the channel i think
7:59 PM <ofTheoAway> I can email via an @openframeworks.cc email address or something like that
7:59 PM <admsyn> bilderbuchi-1: are you taking over this now? I don't recall how far you got in the process
8:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> what this would be useful for: having notices about devmeets/bugfixe drives/etc as a topic: e.g. a message in #of-dev saying the meeting is in #openframeworks :D
8:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> no I'm not
8:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> if i don't have to
8:00 PM <ofTheoAway> I own #ofdev I think
8:00 PM <bilderbuchi-1> I never approached them
8:00 PM <admsyn> oh ok, I'll contact some staff and get an email going
8:00 PM <ofTheoAway> thanks!
8:00 PM <elliotwoods> brilliant
8:01 PM <bilderbuchi-1> great, thanks :-)
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8:01 PM <admsyn> but yeah, it'd be nice to have some ops in the channel, to put pirate pad links in the topic during meetings, bugfix drives etc
8:01 PM <admsyn> :)
8:01 PM <kylemcd> yeahhh
8:01 PM <ofTheo> yup! a bot too :)
8:02 PM <admsyn> I was thinking it'd be neat to have a bot that you could send oF gists at, would run the program for a sec and send a screencap back :3
8:02 PM <dantheman> ooooooo
8:02 PM <bilderbuchi-1> heh.
8:02 PM <admsyn> (but this is not important enough to discuss in a meeting)
8:02 PM <kylemcd> that'd be amaaaaaaaazing
8:02 PM <kylemcd> lol
8:02 PM <kylemcd> ok last thought,
8:02 PM <dantheman> that could be doable
8:03 PM <kylemcd> just got a note from zach asking about 0.7.4:
8:03 PM <kylemcd> "Are we doing any changes to the addon spec for 0.7.4 ?"
8:03 PM <bilderbuchi-1> btw, there's an IRC hook for repos, you just have to switch it on in GH settings and point it at a channel I think
8:03 PM <admsyn> dantheman: yeah, somone's got a bot in ##C++ I think that'll compile stuff and say the output back. Was where I got the idea :)
8:03 PM <bilderbuchi-1> so bot-posts of OF repo activity would be really easy
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