grejppi · August 29, 2015 14:20 · unfa · May 10, 2015
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 23:40 < grejppi> facepalming sO HARD at best of lmms vol 2 results
 23:40 < curlymorphic> Ive not looked yet, where did you come?
 23:41 < grejppi> there are multiple tracks from a single artist
 23:41 < fundamental> grejppi: where are the results?
 23:41 < grejppi> fundamental:
                 https://www.facebook.com/makefreemusic/posts/902602873129237
 23:42 < grejppi> and
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/113001340835122723950/posts/bDRAjWDmSsp?cfem=1
 23:44 < fundamental> that's pretty abnormal for this sort of competition to
                     allow for multiple entries
 23:44 < curlymorphic> yeah, I think the rules said 2 entries
 23:46 < grejppi> true, two entries were allowed from each person
 23:47 < grejppi> with the intention that only the one that scores better will
                 be taken into account
 23:48 < curlymorphic> that would have given better results
 23:48 < grejppi> yes, and that was done with vol 1
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 23:51 < Jernemies> I was wondering where were the results, thanks for the link
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 23:52 < grejppi> I wonder who is responsible for this disaster
 23:53 < grejppi> Jernemies: how were the judges chosen?
 23:53 < umcaruje> I know who is
 23:54 < umcaruje> Stian chose the judges IIRC
 23:54 < Jernemies> I sent an e-mail to the judges group
 23:54 < Jernemies> Stian chose us, we gave scores, and voted for what we wanted
                   in
 23:54  * umcaruje facepalms
 23:54 < grejppi> so... did stian organize vol 2?
 23:54 < Jernemies> I believe Stian also compiled the final results, although I
                   don't know if any other judges were involved in that
 23:55 < umcaruje> Well stian wanted to do vol2
 23:55 < umcaruje> and all of us previous judges (mainly me and SP) said that we
                  wouldn't judge
 23:55 < umcaruje> since we wanted to send our own stuff in
 23:56 < Jernemies> I'm honestly disappointed
 23:56 < grejppi> ^
 23:56 < umcaruje> ^
 23:56 < Jernemies> I'm not sure how he handled the scores we gave. Last I
                   looked at my judging sheet, all the vote-checkboxes are
                   suddenly checked, when I originally had like 12 votes
 23:56 < Jernemies> I scored 35
 23:57 < umcaruje> Ok so the last year BoL was done so much better
 23:57 < grejppi> where's consumer protection
 23:57 < umcaruje> So last year it went on like this:
 23:58 < umcaruje> Each judge picked 5 songs he likes
 23:58 < umcaruje> two judges couldn't pick the same song
 23:58 < umcaruje> nor two songs by the same artist
 23:59 < umcaruje> and then after the 30 songs were chosen
 23:59 < Jernemies> We were supposed to give scores to 35 songs, and vote for
                   some (I'm not sure if 35 or x/35). I'm not even sure how
                   many votes we were supposed to give: I wasn't that well
                   informed, and had to ask about the amount
 23:59 < umcaruje> each judge rated each song
 23:59 < grejppi> and stian's method appears to be just naïvely sorting by score
 23:59 < umcaruje> in 2 categories: sound design and originallity
 23:59 < umcaruje> and then we did averages for every song in a sheet
 --- Day changed Mon Apr 27 2015
 00:00 < umcaruje> the lower 5 songs became honorable mentions
 00:00 < umcaruje> and the other 25 went to the album
 00:00 < Jernemies> So what I did was giving scores to 35 (good and bad) songs,
                   and voting for what I wanted to see in
 00:00 < Jernemies> At least the sound design and originality was right
 00:00 < Jernemies> Can't say that for much else
 00:00 < umcaruje> meh
 00:01 < Jernemies> Though in all fairness, there were over 100 songs entered
 00:01 < umcaruje> very dissapointed
 00:01 < umcaruje> Last year there were 86
 00:01 < grejppi> seriously I'm about to demand review
 00:01 < grejppi> anyone care to join me?
 00:01 < Jernemies> Go for it
 00:01 < umcaruje> I demand it too
 00:01 < Jernemies> I'm behind you: I was a judge, but this is atrocious
 00:02 < umcaruje> and I'm like the guy that started BoL (no self promo, just
                  facts)
 00:02 < Jernemies> Not because of the results, but also because I'm not sure
                   how my scores and votes were actually handled. If it turns
                   out a track I gave 1/6 ended up on the album with my help...
                   well
 00:03 < Jernemies> Not hating Stian, I just think he could have done a lot
                   better
 00:03 < grejppi> yes, this could have turned out so much fairer with evan's
                 method
 00:03 < umcaruje> yeah
 00:05 < grejppi> should I post the log of this discussion to the fb page
                 maybe...?
 00:05 < Jernemies> Do that
 00:05 < umcaruje> Yeah do it
 00:05 < grejppi> okay, will do
 00:14 < grejppi> done
 00:16 < Wallacoloo> Where can I listen to the BoL v2 entries?
 00:16 < fundamental> Wallacoloo: 
 https://soundcloud.com/groups/the-best-of-lmms-competition-v2
 00:17 < Wallacoloo> fundamental thanks!
 00:18 < grejppi> I believe stian had the best intentions, but the results just 
                 aren't fair
 00:18 < Jernemies> There were a lot better entries than some of what got on the 
                   list... but I guess/hope that it was at least with the help 
                   of other judges
 00:19 < umcaruje> yeah
 00:19 < Jernemies> "Ok by me, though I'm a bit stumped that Greippi - Penguin 
                   Machine ended up at #56 O_o. It was my #2 overall xD." - 
                   quote by Fastigium, thought I'd share that
 00:20 < Jernemies> Doesn't help the gnawing feeling in my spine that our votes 
                   were handled in an entirely unpredictable manner
 00:20 < umcaruje> can I see the full list?
 00:20 < umcaruje> if that wouldn't be a problem
 00:21 < Wallacoloo> There are some really great songs on this soundcloud! It 
                    blows my mind what some people can pull off with a **free** 
                    DAW like LMMS :)
 00:21 < Jernemies> Oh, so there IS a full sheet
 00:21 < umcaruje> If you want I could trade the sheet from Bolv1 with this one 
                  ;)
 00:21 < Jernemies> pmed it to you, I don't know how secret that is
 00:21 < Jernemies> So I won't drop it on the channel :D I'm judge #3, or that 
                   was my sheet name at least
 00:22 < fundamental> I'd assume you wouldn't want to tell the person who got 
                     last that theirs was voted worst
 00:22 < Jernemies> true
 00:23 < fundamental> I mean plenty of the pieces need considerable work, but 
                     I'd imagine this is supposed to be a friendly competition
 00:24 < Jernemies> Kinda true, though even friendly competitions are mostly 
                   based on the idea that it is fair
 00:24 < Jernemies> That's kinda the hot topic here :D
	23:40 < grejppi> facepalming sO HARD at best of lmms vol 2 results
	23:40 < curlymorphic> Ive not looked yet, where did you come?
	23:41 < grejppi> there are multiple tracks from a single artist
	23:41 < fundamental> grejppi: where are the results?
	23:41 < grejppi> fundamental:
	https://www.facebook.com/makefreemusic/posts/902602873129237
	23:42 < grejppi> and
	https://plus.google.com/u/0/113001340835122723950/posts/bDRAjWDmSsp?cfem=1
	23:44 < fundamental> that's pretty abnormal for this sort of competition to
	allow for multiple entries
	23:44 < curlymorphic> yeah, I think the rules said 2 entries
	23:46 < grejppi> true, two entries were allowed from each person
	23:47 < grejppi> with the intention that only the one that scores better will
	be taken into account
	23:48 < curlymorphic> that would have given better results
	23:48 < grejppi> yes, and that was done with vol 1
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	23:51 < Jernemies> I was wondering where were the results, thanks for the link
	23:51 -!- nucular [~nucular@unaffiliated/nucular] has quit [Disconnected by
	services]
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	23:52 < grejppi> I wonder who is responsible for this disaster
	23:53 < grejppi> Jernemies: how were the judges chosen?
	23:53 < umcaruje> I know who is
	23:54 < umcaruje> Stian chose the judges IIRC
	23:54 < Jernemies> I sent an e-mail to the judges group
	23:54 < Jernemies> Stian chose us, we gave scores, and voted for what we wanted
	in
	23:54 * umcaruje facepalms
	23:54 < grejppi> so... did stian organize vol 2?
	23:54 < Jernemies> I believe Stian also compiled the final results, although I
	don't know if any other judges were involved in that
	23:55 < umcaruje> Well stian wanted to do vol2
	23:55 < umcaruje> and all of us previous judges (mainly me and SP) said that we
	wouldn't judge
	23:55 < umcaruje> since we wanted to send our own stuff in
	23:56 < Jernemies> I'm honestly disappointed
	23:56 < grejppi> ^
	23:56 < umcaruje> ^
	23:56 < Jernemies> I'm not sure how he handled the scores we gave. Last I
	looked at my judging sheet, all the vote-checkboxes are
	suddenly checked, when I originally had like 12 votes
	23:56 < Jernemies> I scored 35
	23:57 < umcaruje> Ok so the last year BoL was done so much better
	23:57 < grejppi> where's consumer protection
	23:57 < umcaruje> So last year it went on like this:
	23:58 < umcaruje> Each judge picked 5 songs he likes
	23:58 < umcaruje> two judges couldn't pick the same song
	23:58 < umcaruje> nor two songs by the same artist
	23:59 < umcaruje> and then after the 30 songs were chosen
	23:59 < Jernemies> We were supposed to give scores to 35 songs, and vote for
	some (I'm not sure if 35 or x/35). I'm not even sure how
	many votes we were supposed to give: I wasn't that well
	informed, and had to ask about the amount
	23:59 < umcaruje> each judge rated each song
	23:59 < grejppi> and stian's method appears to be just naïvely sorting by score
	23:59 < umcaruje> in 2 categories: sound design and originallity
	23:59 < umcaruje> and then we did averages for every song in a sheet
	--- Day changed Mon Apr 27 2015
	00:00 < umcaruje> the lower 5 songs became honorable mentions
	00:00 < umcaruje> and the other 25 went to the album
	00:00 < Jernemies> So what I did was giving scores to 35 (good and bad) songs,
	and voting for what I wanted to see in
	00:00 < Jernemies> At least the sound design and originality was right
	00:00 < Jernemies> Can't say that for much else
	00:00 < umcaruje> meh
	00:01 < Jernemies> Though in all fairness, there were over 100 songs entered
	00:01 < umcaruje> very dissapointed
	00:01 < umcaruje> Last year there were 86
	00:01 < grejppi> seriously I'm about to demand review
	00:01 < grejppi> anyone care to join me?
	00:01 < Jernemies> Go for it
	00:01 < umcaruje> I demand it too
	00:01 < Jernemies> I'm behind you: I was a judge, but this is atrocious
	00:02 < umcaruje> and I'm like the guy that started BoL (no self promo, just
	facts)
	00:02 < Jernemies> Not because of the results, but also because I'm not sure
	how my scores and votes were actually handled. If it turns
	out a track I gave 1/6 ended up on the album with my help...
	well
	00:03 < Jernemies> Not hating Stian, I just think he could have done a lot
	better
	00:03 < grejppi> yes, this could have turned out so much fairer with evan's
	method
	00:03 < umcaruje> yeah
	00:05 < grejppi> should I post the log of this discussion to the fb page
	maybe...?
	00:05 < Jernemies> Do that
	00:05 < umcaruje> Yeah do it
	00:05 < grejppi> okay, will do
	00:14 < grejppi> done
	00:16 < Wallacoloo> Where can I listen to the BoL v2 entries?
	00:16 < fundamental> Wallacoloo:
	https://soundcloud.com/groups/the-best-of-lmms-competition-v2
	00:17 < Wallacoloo> fundamental thanks!
	00:18 < grejppi> I believe stian had the best intentions, but the results just
	aren't fair
	00:18 < Jernemies> There were a lot better entries than some of what got on the
	list... but I guess/hope that it was at least with the help
	of other judges
	00:19 < umcaruje> yeah
	00:19 < Jernemies> "Ok by me, though I'm a bit stumped that Greippi - Penguin
	Machine ended up at #56 O_o. It was my #2 overall xD." -
	quote by Fastigium, thought I'd share that
	00:20 < Jernemies> Doesn't help the gnawing feeling in my spine that our votes
	were handled in an entirely unpredictable manner
	00:20 < umcaruje> can I see the full list?
	00:20 < umcaruje> if that wouldn't be a problem
	00:21 < Wallacoloo> There are some really great songs on this soundcloud! It
	blows my mind what some people can pull off with a free
	DAW like LMMS :)
	00:21 < Jernemies> Oh, so there IS a full sheet
	00:21 < umcaruje> If you want I could trade the sheet from Bolv1 with this one
	;)
	00:21 < Jernemies> pmed it to you, I don't know how secret that is
	00:21 < Jernemies> So I won't drop it on the channel :D I'm judge #3, or that
	was my sheet name at least
	00:22 < fundamental> I'd assume you wouldn't want to tell the person who got
	last that theirs was voted worst
	00:22 < Jernemies> true
	00:23 < fundamental> I mean plenty of the pieces need considerable work, but
	I'd imagine this is supposed to be a friendly competition
	00:24 < Jernemies> Kinda true, though even friendly competitions are mostly
	based on the idea that it is fair
	00:24 < Jernemies> That's kinda the hot topic here :D