jdittrich · July 5, 2020 14:20
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 5 computers are like the Rorschach-Test
 10 Interacting with computers is seductive: Total control and no mess of social relations
 13 Computers evoke rather than determine thinking
 13 opacity of computers encourages to talk about them
 20 Kids argue about "do computers think"
 20 Kids know themselves and attribute what they know about them to things (childhood animism)
 20 usually: material OR Psychological but computers are both
 20 computers are "marginal Objects" – are they "in" or "out" e.g. of "living things"
 22 Computers for exploring power, life, death: Switch them on, off, break, crash
 23 Horrors of recursion and infinity
 27 Killing life-like computers, explore life and death (see 22)
 32 Explore having power over someone/something
 34 Kid: Things can move and are alive
 35 Kid: Things hat have human-ish psychology are alife
 37 computers are psychological entities
 41 The psychological theories for physical things (stones roll down cause they want to) decrease and get replaced by physics. For computers instead, the psychological theories get more elaborate.
 45 children’s arguments about alifeness (or not) of computers are analog to arguments by philosophers who work the same topic.
 51 There is no simple causal chain of why something is considered alive. Spiders move (→alive) but can be killed morally (→not alive)
 52 Computer morality as life-alike"it is not ethical to switch of a computer when it is calculating"
 54 When rational does not define being human, it is emotion that is used to distinguish
 61 gaming is all but mindless
 64 games NOT as conversation or act-upon BUT as being in someones mind and act-as
 74 Games as rule governed, knowable
 77 "everything is possible but nothing is arbitrary" in a game
 78 You can role-play, but only within rules
 79 Games relax and they need 'total concentration'; you cant just pause
 81 flow in gaming
 85 games as a perfectible medium; gaining control
 99 Top down and bottom up styles of programming
 102 Hard Mastery (abstract), Soft Mastery (enacted)
 104 control/accommodation
 107 Boys/girls
 110 is an "error" or mistake  static or is it contingent and negotiable?
 114 programming as sensual
 115 Normal actions of experienced ppl do not show different styles but if experienced ppl learn something new, their approach shows again
 117 Computers as easier to related to than other abstract systems
 122 Judgment as similar to feedback
 [Memo: I find it fascinating to find so many touching observations about computer use here, focused not on people or tech but their relations.
 127f computers for bridging social worlds; boundary object like
 144 Threatening possibilities, helpful comments
 150f fear of unpredictability
 157 Computers as mirrors of self 'put a piece of your mind out to observe it ourselves'
 162 "I am OK, there is just a bug"
 164 Like in psychoanalysis, computers provide ideas to think about ourselves
 171 Making math concrete: they "put numbers in my fingers and I am good with my hands"
 177 computers are fully understandable
 178 Computers as politically charged, yet private
 179 making "magical" and counterintiutive but small change as good. (see 110)
 189 PCs as symbol of 'not being left behind' status and new possibilities
 189 Computer buyers want/should have opinions; not leave decisions to an expert [self-directed; liberalism]
 203f world divided in machine people, people people; difficulties bridging both worlds.
 212 Minsky as pro-hacker, contra psychologists. Hacker/poet/Artists
 213 Computers provide save micro-worlds. Adolescents need this and grow out of this (usually), but they can also "help" some people to "get stuck" though, cause they offer lucrative careers that do not demand growing out of the computer attachment
 216 Masochistic 'winning' culture
 222 Acceptance of radical individualism in hacking
 224 Hacking is… a more sure bet… than asking anyone out on a date
 225 Anti-sensuality: It is not the perception or feeling but the structures that are important
 235 It is surprising how conservative hacker culture is
 244 Maximization and the need to control oneself
 258 Norman: Mind as computer, not about meaning but mechanism, isolate feelings
 260 Colonization via AI: "plunder" other disciplines, replace their theories with AI is ones that are "better" and "more rational"
 261 Freeing mind from the constraints of matter
 264 Cybernetics: sum>parts; more real than real
 265 Children should understand "systems"
 269 AI as new philosophy
 273 Large scale, mythical thinking in AI research
 281 Not blaming ppl but saying that "computer says no"
 282 Airplanes fly, what do computers do?
 284 Computers are made of logic (is logic human?)
 287 computers are society (Minsky)
 289 The idea of emergence breaks down resistance to seeing the mind as machine
 290 instead of more rules, use the "society model" of heuristics that act together
 293 "production system": simple agents act together
 295 constructive use of circularity aka self-reference(instead of e.g. the "bad" "circular logic")
 391 Thinking of oneself as computer is widespread among MIT students
 311 Freud fascinating cause self as sexual. Computers fascinating cause self as machines.
 312 Machines "just run" controlled from the outside. Machine metaphor allows us to connect with this.
	5 computers are like the Rorschach-Test
	10 Interacting with computers is seductive: Total control and no mess of social relations
	13 Computers evoke rather than determine thinking
	13 opacity of computers encourages to talk about them
	20 Kids argue about "do computers think"
	20 Kids know themselves and attribute what they know about them to things (childhood animism)
	20 usually: material OR Psychological but computers are both
	20 computers are "marginal Objects" – are they "in" or "out" e.g. of "living things"
	22 Computers for exploring power, life, death: Switch them on, off, break, crash
	23 Horrors of recursion and infinity
	27 Killing life-like computers, explore life and death (see 22)
	32 Explore having power over someone/something
	34 Kid: Things can move and are alive
	35 Kid: Things hat have human-ish psychology are alife
	37 computers are psychological entities
	41 The psychological theories for physical things (stones roll down cause they want to) decrease and get replaced by physics. For computers instead, the psychological theories get more elaborate.
	45 children’s arguments about alifeness (or not) of computers are analog to arguments by philosophers who work the same topic.
	51 There is no simple causal chain of why something is considered alive. Spiders move (→alive) but can be killed morally (→not alive)
	52 Computer morality as life-alike"it is not ethical to switch of a computer when it is calculating"
	54 When rational does not define being human, it is emotion that is used to distinguish
	61 gaming is all but mindless
	64 games NOT as conversation or act-upon BUT as being in someones mind and act-as
	74 Games as rule governed, knowable
	77 "everything is possible but nothing is arbitrary" in a game
	78 You can role-play, but only within rules
	79 Games relax and they need 'total concentration'; you cant just pause
	81 flow in gaming
	85 games as a perfectible medium; gaining control
	99 Top down and bottom up styles of programming
	102 Hard Mastery (abstract), Soft Mastery (enacted)
	104 control/accommodation
	107 Boys/girls
	110 is an "error" or mistake static or is it contingent and negotiable?
	114 programming as sensual
	115 Normal actions of experienced ppl do not show different styles but if experienced ppl learn something new, their approach shows again
	117 Computers as easier to related to than other abstract systems
	122 Judgment as similar to feedback
	[Memo: I find it fascinating to find so many touching observations about computer use here, focused not on people or tech but their relations.
	127f computers for bridging social worlds; boundary object like
	144 Threatening possibilities, helpful comments
	150f fear of unpredictability
	157 Computers as mirrors of self 'put a piece of your mind out to observe it ourselves'
	162 "I am OK, there is just a bug"
	164 Like in psychoanalysis, computers provide ideas to think about ourselves
	171 Making math concrete: they "put numbers in my fingers and I am good with my hands"
	177 computers are fully understandable
	178 Computers as politically charged, yet private
	179 making "magical" and counterintiutive but small change as good. (see 110)
	189 PCs as symbol of 'not being left behind' status and new possibilities
	189 Computer buyers want/should have opinions; not leave decisions to an expert [self-directed; liberalism]
	203f world divided in machine people, people people; difficulties bridging both worlds.
	212 Minsky as pro-hacker, contra psychologists. Hacker/poet/Artists
	213 Computers provide save micro-worlds. Adolescents need this and grow out of this (usually), but they can also "help" some people to "get stuck" though, cause they offer lucrative careers that do not demand growing out of the computer attachment
	216 Masochistic 'winning' culture
	222 Acceptance of radical individualism in hacking
	224 Hacking is… a more sure bet… than asking anyone out on a date
	225 Anti-sensuality: It is not the perception or feeling but the structures that are important
	235 It is surprising how conservative hacker culture is
	244 Maximization and the need to control oneself
	258 Norman: Mind as computer, not about meaning but mechanism, isolate feelings
	260 Colonization via AI: "plunder" other disciplines, replace their theories with AI is ones that are "better" and "more rational"
	261 Freeing mind from the constraints of matter
	264 Cybernetics: sum>parts; more real than real
	265 Children should understand "systems"
	269 AI as new philosophy
	273 Large scale, mythical thinking in AI research
	281 Not blaming ppl but saying that "computer says no"
	282 Airplanes fly, what do computers do?
	284 Computers are made of logic (is logic human?)
	287 computers are society (Minsky)
	289 The idea of emergence breaks down resistance to seeing the mind as machine
	290 instead of more rules, use the "society model" of heuristics that act together
	293 "production system": simple agents act together
	295 constructive use of circularity aka self-reference(instead of e.g. the "bad" "circular logic")
	391 Thinking of oneself as computer is widespread among MIT students
	311 Freud fascinating cause self as sexual. Computers fascinating cause self as machines.
	312 Machines "just run" controlled from the outside. Machine metaphor allows us to connect with this.