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0928 2102 Topic for #calculus: Welcome to our relaxed calculus channel; if you have a question, ask and wait, and help will come. We talk about any subject. | <afat> 
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0928 2102        Tau| hello is_null.
0928 2103        Tau| i am playing a game now.
0928 2103        Tau| let me finish it then we can talk.
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0928 2111    is_null| hi Tau, no problem
0928 2123    is_null| <3 python
0928 2129        Tau| is_null:=: back.
0928 2129        Tau| is_null:=: that requires python3.
0928 2130        Tau| http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/screenshot2br.png/
0928 2130        Tau| is_null:=: that is.
0928 2131    is_null| yes i saw it requires tkinter, not Tkinter
0928 2131        Tau| is_null:=: there is a console window where you type stuff. i intent to improve the interface like implementing engine interfaces so ppl could 
                      analyse their games.
0928 2132        Tau| is_null:=: however, i am a student i don't have many time to program. i wrote that on top of untwisted(which is a framework for asynchronous 
                      programming) untwisted was made by me. i have to implement other protocols. the code of steinitz is straightforward it shows how untwisted is 
                      powerful at handling protocols.
0928 2132    is_null| i currently use eboard, i like how it's light, but the problem is for lectures on FICS: i must switch tabs myself between "console" and "board" 
                      when it would be confortable to just see both at the same time ... i think this goes for chat and regular games too
0928 2132        Tau| is_null:=: it would be nice if steinitz appeared on fics site as a chess interface so i would have ppl interested in helping me to improve it.
0928 2133        Tau| is_null:=: i could implement that.
0928 2133    is_null| Tau: my favorite tool to get help with code is github, i use it for every single project
0928 2134    is_null| highly recomended ;)
0928 2134        Tau| i am accepting help. if you are a python programmer feel free to help, even if you arent into python i would like to hear your suggestions.
0928 2134        Tau| yeah.
0928 2134        Tau| i plan changing for github.
0928 2134    is_null| where can i get untwisted ?
0928 2134        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/p/untwisted/admin/overview
0928 2135           | is_null is a full time python dev
0928 2135        Tau| is_null:=: that is the link. you just install that then run steinitz with python steinitz.py as usual.
0928 2135        Tau| hehe. that is nice.
0928 2135        Tau| is_null:=: untwisted is almost done. it is like 99% finished. i mean at least its core. the remaining stuff is just implementing protocols.
0928 2135        Tau| i have released a first version that is 0.0.1.
0928 2135        Tau| which i wrote steinitz on top.
0928 2136    is_null| you know how i love to install packages ? like this for example: pip install -e [email protected]:someperson/somerepo.git#egg=someapp
0928 2136        Tau| haha. that is neat.
0928 2136    is_null| all it needs is a simple setup.py which can also make it download dependencies (that would be nice for untwisted)
0928 2136        Tau| true.
0928 2136        Tau| well. i will get a coffee while you install that.
0928 2136        Tau| hold on.
0928 2136    is_null| for example: https://github.com/yourlabs/django-subscription/blob/master/setup.py
0928 2137    is_null| what timezone are you in ?
0928 2137        Tau| its 6:38 pm here.
0928 2137        Tau| and you?
0928 2138    is_null| 2337
0928 2138    is_null| you're in america ?
0928 2138    is_null| UTC/GMT -3 ?
0928 2139        Tau| no. i am in brazil.
0928 2139        Tau| is_null:= oh. you meant south america. heh.
0928 2139        Tau| is_null:=: where are you from?
0928 2139    is_null| yes <3 brazil
0928 2139    is_null| currently living in spain
0928 2139    is_null| oh you have a setup.py in untwisted, nice!
0928 2141        Tau| heh. yeap.
0928 2141        Tau| is_null:=: nice.
0928 2141    is_null| ok i got the GUY
0928 2141    is_null| *GUI ^^
0928 2143    is_null| i got some exceptions: https://gist.github.com/1249331
0928 2143        Tau| let me see
0928 2144        Tau| is_null:=:  did you connect?
0928 2144        Tau| is_null:=: is the interface running now?
0928 2144    is_null| yep
0928 2144    is_null| it would be great if the board was resizable
0928 2144        Tau| is_null:=: that exception is common.
0928 2144           | is_null is on netbook
0928 2144        Tau| was predicted.
0928 2144        Tau| is_null:=: i made a commentary on top of steinitz.py about that.
0928 2145        Tau| is_null:=:since tkinter is a mainloop that will not break it. that is just a matter of trigging the exceptions(iin case of it being needed). i 
                      have been trigging all needed exceptions there.
0928 2146    is_null| yep, maybe you can use some help fixing those ?
0928 2146        Tau| is_null:=: the remaining ones were edge cases which aren't useful to trigge so i let as output.
0928 2146    is_null| oh ok
0928 2147        Tau| is_null:=:  but i would like to have your help to improve the interface yes.
0928 2147        Tau| feel free to help.
0928 2147    is_null| well to be honest i only have experience in serverside/headless development
0928 2147        Tau| is_null:=: no problem.
0928 2148    is_null| obviously i'm willing to try because i really like the size of the codebase (~800 slocs including untwisted), really reasonnable!
0928 2148    is_null| and only one dependency so that full of win :)
0928 2148        Tau| is_null:=: that exception occured cause you clicked on the board button(that with white squares) since you werent connected that exception was 
                      natural to happen(i would put a msg to informe something like 'you arent connected') but i find it uneeded.
0928 2148        Tau| is_null:=: yes. that is one of untwisted strenghts.
0928 2149        Tau| is_null:=: it is worthwhile taking a look at untwisted demos. the readme i havent finished. i am not good at writting docs. it would be good if 
                      i had help too. so i could add you to untwisted project if you want.
0928 2149    is_null| maybe a messagebox ?
0928 2150        Tau| is_null:=: hmm, what do you mean?
0928 2150    is_null| for the information "you are not connected"
0928 2150    is_null| but for 0.1 that's not necessary i agree
0928 2151        Tau| yes
0928 2151        Tau| i see.
0928 2151        Tau| is_null:=: true. that is a good idea too.
0928 2151        Tau| is_null:=: however, if you were connected you would perceive it. that is why i didnt put that message warning of not being connected.
0928 2151    is_null| what your (other) favorite chess client ?
0928 2152        Tau| is_null:=: honestly i don't have one. that is why i wrote steinitz.
0928 2152        Tau| i played using scid but that is dirty.
0928 2152        Tau| i used eboard but that is not a big deal.
0928 2152        Tau| then, i decided i would write one. since i had written untwisted it arose the opportunity.
0928 2152        Tau| is_null:=: i had written a chess program before. it is madchess. in madchess i implemented chess rules.
0928 2153        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/projects/madchess/files/ this is the madchess.
0928 2153        Tau| it lacks somethings.
0928 2153        Tau| i left the project.
0928 2153        Tau| but it is functionable. you can play over internet with it in direct connections.
0928 2154        Tau| and it holds a library which implements chess rules.
0928 2154        Tau| i wrote a small protocol for that.
0928 2154        Tau| the code is a birt dirty since it uses threads but that is interesting to take a look as well mainly in the chess rules implementation.
0928 2155    is_null| do you want to walk me throught the code ? classes, functions ...
0928 2155    is_null| of steinetz/untwisted which you are working on, not madchess
0928 2155        Tau| is_null:=: yes. we can.
0928 2156        Tau| is_null:=: we must start first with untwisted since steinitz requires it.
0928 2157    is_null| ok, then maybe i can format your talk into documentation format
0928 2157        Tau| that would be awesome !
0928 2157    is_null| what i love with github is that it lets me activate a post commit hook for rtfd.org
0928 2157    is_null| so when i commit, the doc is regenerated on rtfd.org
0928 2157        Tau| i see.
0928 2158        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/p/untwisted/code/ci/ebfce9b2e68549de3e5b7f7988370cd365a33312/tree/demo/test/server.py
0928 2158        Tau| is_null:=: look at that demo example.
0928 2159        Tau| is_null:=: read the source and tell me what you have understood. don't worry if you dont grasp all. that is part of the process. i will then 
                      clarify the points which you didnt understand.
0928 2159        Tau| before you taking a look i will tell you what that does.
0928 2159        Tau| is_null:=: that is a small server which handle clients. when clients connects the server sends to them random numbers in an interval of seconds.
0928 2200        Tau| is_null:=: now, take a look, you can run that as well. if you have installed untwisted
0928 2200        Tau| you get in the directory demo which you unpacked untwisted.
0928 2200        Tau| directory is demo/test/
0928 2200        Tau| open a terminal then run python3 server.py
0928 2200        Tau| in another terminal you open python3 client.py
0928 2200        Tau| you will see the process.
0928 2201        Tau| then you get back to the good and read it
0928 2201        Tau| when you have finished you ask me questions on what you didnt understand.
0928 2203    is_null| i see
0928 2203    is_null| i connected 2 clients, works great
0928 2204        Tau| is_null:=: untwisted uses yield to do the job of unpacking protocols messages. it is a bit confusing at the beginning but when you get that you 
                      will see how untwisted is powerful.
0928 2204        Tau| is_null:=: think of a connection as a GUI button.
0928 2205    is_null| yes that's exactly what i was thinking
0928 2205        Tau| all what you want is linking the button events to your callbacks.
0928 2205    is_null| why yield sign('pong', work, data) ^^
0928 2205        Tau| that is what you do in untwisted you link events to callbacks. the objects are the connections.
0928 2205        Tau| is_null:=: that generates an event whose name is 'pong'.
0928 2205        Tau| if you do poll.link('pong', yourcallback, yourdata)
0928 2205        Tau| whenever that event 'pong' is generated your callback will be called with work and data and yourdata.
0928 2206        Tau| is_null:=: when data arrives tom the network it goes through 'your callbacks' which are attached to poll. you initially need to attach callbacks 
                      to the primary events.
0928 2206        Tau| the primary events are READ, WRITE, EXC.
0928 2207        Tau| READ is when there is a socket which can be read.
0928 2207        Tau| WRITE when you can write to a socket.
0928 2207        Tau| and EXC when there is a special exception in one of the sockets(this one is platform dependent you will not need it mostly)
0928 2207        Tau| there are other events which generated by you(but they are standard events) they are ACCEPT, CLOSE.
0928 2208        Tau| you install them to the Poll instance importing them from utils/std.
0928 2208        Tau| is_null:=: it is good taking a look a tthe readme too. that is unfished but it is interesting to look.
0928 2208        Tau| from untwisted.network import *
0928 2208        Tau|  2 from untwisted.utils import std
0928 2209        Tau| if you take a look at the std file you will see it has a function which install the secondary events. 'ACCEPT AND CLOSE'  and LOAD.
0928 2209    is_null| i see, like an asynchronous signal/slot pattern
0928 2210        Tau| after that the process is just handling the data which came. so you install the charset callback to LOAD.
0928 2210        Tau| he charset callback will generate the BUFFER event.
0928 2210        Tau| that is where you implement you define the protocol terminator.
0928 2211    is_null| even the framework i use everyday could benefit from untwisted
0928 2211        Tau| in common.py you will see it has three callbacks the charset, shrug, and yuck.
0928 2211        Tau| so, if you want your protocol based on a token like '\r\n' you use shrug, if it is fixed length you use yuck.
0928 2212        Tau| is_null:=:  yes. yuck is not finished. but you can implement that you own.
0928 2212        Tau| is_null:=: shrug generates teh FOUND event.
0928 2212        Tau| that is where you mostly will use to implement protocols.
0928 2212        Tau| take a look
0928 2212        Tau| at ircbot.py
0928 2213        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/p/untwisted/code/ci/ebfce9b2e68549de3e5b7f7988370cd365a33312/tree/demo/test/client.py
0928 2213        Tau| this is a small ircbot.
0928 2213        Tau| if you add three lines there you have a strong modular bot.
0928 2213        Tau| well not three lines.
0928 2214        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/p/untwisted/code/ci/ebfce9b2e68549de3e5b7f7988370cd365a33312/tree/demo/ircbot/ircbot.py
0928 2215        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/p/untwisted/code/ci/ebfce9b2e68549de3e5b7f7988370cd365a33312/tree/untwisted/world/text/irc.py
0928 2215        Tau| this is the irc protocol implementation.
0928 2215        Tau| notice it handles 100% of basic events. it doesnt handle dcc or ctcp yet.
0928 2216        Tau| but that is just small.
0928 2216    is_null| yes, that's a strength
0928 2216    is_null| the blocking problem with steinetz is that it doesn't support my screen size
0928 2216        Tau| is_null:=: what is your screen size
0928 2216        Tau| take a print screen
0928 2216        Tau| i would like to see how it looks there
0928 2216    is_null| sorry but it's midnight i need to go sleep soon
0928 2217        Tau| alright.
0928 2217    is_null| http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/2011092900161024x600.png/
0928 2217    is_null| 1024x600
0928 2218        Tau| oh i see.
0928 2218    is_null| i like that it uses separate windows because i use dwm from suckless.org which is brilliant at managing windows
0928 2218        Tau| i could fix that.
0928 2218        Tau| i will actually.
0928 2218    is_null| that said it would be great to get lecturebot text inside the chat bot
0928 2219        Tau| is_null:=: you can fix that.
0928 2219    is_null| which ?
0928 2219        Tau| the board.py receives two arguments
0928 2219        Tau| width and height
0928 2219        Tau| these two arguments
0928 2219        Tau| control square sizes.
0928 2219        Tau| is_null:=: you can decrease them.
0928 2219    is_null| coooool
0928 2219        Tau| is_null:=: and
0928 2219        Tau| is_null:=: there is a dir named other
0928 2219        Tau| there you find pieces whose size is smaller.
0928 2220        Tau| is_null:=: you just rename img to /imgg
0928 2220        Tau| then other to img
0928 2220    is_null| so all we'd have to do would be to make those actualy Board attributes (maybe in methods with @property ?) that would update on resize
0928 2220        Tau| is_null:=: but you will need to rename the pieces.
0928 2220        Tau| they are named b.gif , w.gif etc.
0928 2220        Tau| you will need to add a b to the left so bb.gif for black
0928 2220    is_null| isn't it possible to resize piece images on display ?
0928 2220        Tau| and wb.gif for white.
0928 2220        Tau| is_null:=: that is.
0928 2220        Tau| is_null:=:i will do that tomorrow.
0928 2221        Tau| is_null:=: are you on linux?
0928 2221    is_null| arch linux
0928 2221        Tau| is_null:=:if you put your resolution to 1200x700 it works.
0928 2222        Tau| ops
0928 2222        Tau| 1024x700.
0928 2222        Tau| that is what i am using now.
0928 2222    is_null| yes but my screen can't i think
0928 2222  Lesterwoo| is there a better way to do integrals
0928 2222  Lesterwoo| (indefinete)
0928 2222        Tau| is_null:=: why
0928 2222    is_null| choices from xrandr are: 1024x600 800x600 640x480
0928 2222        Tau| Lesterwood:=: the best are what we known.
0928 2222        Tau| hmm.
0928 2222        Tau| i see.
0928 2223        Tau| is_null:=: do you have time for a test?
0928 2223    is_null| little
0928 2223    is_null| not really but i want it so much heh ..
0928 2223        Tau| is_null:=: open the file board.py change the parameter height to 78.
0928 2224        Tau| the parameter height which is passed to Board constructor.
0928 2224        Tau| is_null:=: change the width too put it 78.
0928 2224    is_null| so i change the default 83x81 to 78x78 ?
0928 2225    is_null| Tau: the board looks better, but the right sidebar is still to tall
0928 2225        Tau| hmm
0928 2226        Tau| is_null:=: put it 76 then.
0928 2226        Tau| is_null:=: yes. 76x76 i would like to see a printscreen if you have time.
0928 2228    is_null| it's better on the left, but not on the right, 76x76: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/2011092900261024x600.png/
0928 2229    is_null| dynamic resize is probably going require a cool algorythmn implementation
0928 2229        Tau| is_null:=: that is tkinter problem.
0928 2229        Tau| is_null:=: it should be dynamically resized.
0928 2229        Tau| is_null:=:but for some motive that is not.
0928 2229        Tau| i will stick around at #tcl and ask those guys.
0928 2230        Tau| is_null:=: well. you can control the height. make it as small as possible.
0928 2230        Tau| i will prepare pieces of small size.
0928 2230        Tau| so ppl could substitute them.
0928 2230    is_null| but wouldn't it be better to resize the image on display ?
0928 2230        Tau| is_null:=: feel free to find better solutions i would thank you help. tomorrow i will add you as developer in steinitz if you want.
0928 2231        Tau| is_null:=: yes it would.
0928 2231    is_null| like in html <img src=".." height="80" width="80" /> then it works even if the image is 100x100
0928 2231        Tau| yes.
0928 2231        Tau| is_null:=: do you know tkinter?
0928 2231        Tau| if you know and if you want you can solve that.
0928 2233    is_null| tkinter not really - i'm a website developer but i'll try to learn
0928 2233        Tau| is_null:=: i will make it have smaller images. so until us finding a better solution we can use that.
0928 2233        Tau| is_null:=: feel free to ask me whatever you want.
0928 2234        Tau| i will help you to learn that.
0928 2234        Tau| that is easy so you will not have many troubles.
0928 2234    is_null| but you're telling me that all the board and sidebar rendering is in board.py ?
0928 2234        Tau| is_null:=: yes.
0928 2234        Tau| is_null:=: give me 10 min.
0928 2234        Tau| and you will watch lectures on steinitz.
0928 2234        Tau| if you have that time.
0928 2235    is_null| yes, finishing my beer
0928 2235    is_null| and then going to bed hopefully before 2300 UTC
0928 2235        Tau| nice.
0928 2235        Tau| is_null:=: it has been a long time since i last took a beer.
0928 2235        Tau| lol
0928 2236        Tau| unfortunately i cant drink.
0928 2236        Tau| let me fix that.
0928 2236        Tau| be back in 10 min.
0928 2237    is_null| gone to get beer ? xD
0928 2238    is_null| i'm curious, did you consider FLTK ?
0928 2244        Tau| is_null:=:done. i will upload the new code.
0928 2244        Tau| is_null:=: hey, did you try 74 did the squares appear totally?
0928 2244        Tau| i resized the images.
0928 2244    is_null| nope
0928 2244        Tau| they are smaller now.
0928 2244    is_null| oh 74 no wait
0928 2245        Tau| is_null:=: did 74 worked?
0928 2245        Tau| i mean
0928 2245        Tau| did 74 work?
0928 2247    is_null| http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/2011092900451024x600.png/ -> 67x67
0928 2247    is_null| but i have a very small topbar
0928 2248        Tau| is_null:=: i resized the images.
0928 2248        Tau| i will upload the new code.
0928 2248        Tau| hold on
0928 2250        Tau| https://sourceforge.net/projects/steinitz/files/
0928 2250        Tau| is_null:=: uploaded. that is with 74 for the square if you feel it is too big you will not have problem in changing it to smaller since the 
                      pieces will be smaller too.
0928 2252        Tau| is_null:=: i will find a better solution tomorrow.
0928 2252        Tau| most people use 1000 > resolutions.
0928 2252      pylix| Tau. still programming?
0928 2252        Tau| not sure if it is worthwhile bothering with that.
0928 2252        Tau| pylix yes.
0928 2253    is_null| yes most poeple use 1024*768
0928 2254        Tau| is_null:=: i will make it work for 1024x600.
0928 2254        Tau| is_null:=: worrying with resolutions below that is not a problem i think.
0928 2254        Tau| is_null:=: so it will work there.
0928 2254    is_null| another possibility is to support even smaller window sizes
0928 2254        Tau| is_null:=: did you download the new code?
0928 2254        Tau| is_null:=: yes. true. i will add a zoom.
0928 2255    is_null| cloning
0928 2255    is_null| a zoom factor would be great !
0928 2256        Tau| yes.
0928 2256        Tau| i will add that tonight.
0928 2256        Tau| is_null:=: but it is better to play with giant pieces.
0928 2256        Tau| it helps you to visualize well the board and reason upon it.
0928 2257    is_null| true
0928 2257        Tau| is_null:=: what is your rating?
0928 2257    is_null| low, i started a couple of months ago
0928 2257        Tau| is_null:=: i have been playing badly.
0928 2257        Tau| not sure why
0928 2257    is_null| here's what the current master looks like: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/2011092900551024x600.png/
0928 2258        Tau| i just gave a knight in my last game.
0928 2258        Tau| i was lucky to win that.
0928 2258    is_null| probably you need some rest - i do too ..
0928 2258        Tau| is_null:=:oh, true. thank you for helping, tomorrow i will add you as develper there.
0928 2258        Tau| good night man.
0928 2258    is_null| but sometimes i have activities which i am so passionate about i don't sleep enought xD
0928 2258    is_null| good night, no need to hurry ;)
0928 2259        Tau| oh
0928 2259        Tau| wait
0928 2259        Tau| is_null:=: did you have problem with the new code?
0928 2259      pylix| is_null: you're working on his code?
0928 2259        Tau| pylix:=: if you want to help i would like too :)
0928 2300        Tau| pylix mainly with untwised.