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name spaces are one honk and great idea. Let's do more of those.

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As soon as you don't let everyone and welcome to this at podcast for humans My name is Kenneth rights and you Today we are joined by the wonderful job man, Gino, I'm starting off this episode with, well, this re Oh my gosh. It's a huge one that just came by Sorry.

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I'm starting off the revitalization of the show, thanks to Digital Ocean with some people from my town in Winchester, Virginia. And john is a developer I've known for many years, and I've seen him progress and you see me progress in our careers. And I thought we could talk a little bit about that. And john is really passionate about burnout, and about imposter syndrome. And I thought we could touch briefly on that. So we're going to end the episode. We're not going to do this long to our things that we used to do.

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And yeah, so I'm gonna let john take it away. Why don't you introduce yourself, john?

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Hello,

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john made you know, I work with AWS

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writing automation to mostly in Python. And I love what I do. That's awesome. And I think that Amazon is a wonderful contributor to the cloud ecosystem, you know, just like Digital Ocean is, and I think that we can all be friends.

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But you can't speak publicly to that at any way, shape or form, probably because you're not qualified.

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Probably not probably not as a recap, we won't touch we won't touch on that too much.

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So what do you do like till tell us? What you are passionate about? You'd like Python, this is this podcast is kind of pivoting to target humans and developers have all kinds but mostly the Python audience because that's my audience. So

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you know what? Yeah. Are you relevant to them? It's not, you know, just Python. We just

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are heavily heavily in Python. I personally very much enjoyed working with Python. But you know, there's a lot of, of course, JavaScript, but a react js, node, even some pearl. And

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since what I do has a lot to do with sort of the back end. There's, you know, low level stuff like

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pearl and bash. I have a sticker on my wall that says Pearl, Swiss Army colon colon chainsaw.

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Yeah, pretty much

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as part of the Linux standard base, and most people don't realize that Python it's too but not Yeah, so that's like a good argument. You know, not that we're doing language wars or anything. But that is a very, very, very strong argument for using Python or Ruby, because from a technical perspective as two languages are very similar, when you look at the actual primitives at the language provide, but

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when you actually get to the implementation and the availability of

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languages and sustainability of the languages. You know, Linux is literally it's not Linux, if it doesn't apply something, it's just part of the Linux spec. And people don't know that you have to be the thing to see how that moves forward with Python three on three. Yeah, well, the end of life is coming up here. In 2020, it's going to be announced Python, Python and 2020. If people aren't aware, there's the pipe Python death clock if you Google it, and it'll tell you the exact date. Let's see what is that?

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What are your thoughts? What can you say?

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Do you mind if I mentioned the type of thing that you work on at Amazon? Like a ticket orchestration? Is that okay? or acute Should I edit out? I mean,

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I think it's fairly state. Yeah, I think it's really cool that what you do is you have such a systematic

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approach to us is just scale of a problem that you have to

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You know, systematized something that's traditionally done by people.

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And that's what you work on. Right?

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Yeah, there's, there's so much coming in that you can't have, you know, it just takes it would take forever and way too many people to do it all at the same time. So, you know, we just try to help coming up with tools that help one person who, you know, for person work, or see the information they need to see, because there's, I don't think it would be a leap for anyone to know that there's a lot of data that flies around. And you know, you have to

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get relevant data to make relevant metrics to make informed decisions. So there's a lot of things to take away from that or you just said

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i think i was going to dive into some of them but i think we should just leave that and you know so let people just kind of have some things to think about

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i want to keep it a little bit we were playing guitar a little bit earlier we had some fun if you heard the intro that was john and i playing the guitar and agenda for the recorded

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if you heard synthesizing music instead this because the recording didn't turn out well because it was impromptu

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and we had a great time and i you're passionate about music what else see you passionate about

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well family obviously but photography i'm a big photography known as well is there anything about photography that's similar code to your infrastructure that really attracts you

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will both music and photography and toad

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kind of have the same you know there's very technical

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edges

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to it, but you have to it's the critical mass of critical thinking is the right word but the

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the art artistic side of that can kind of separate what you're doing from just wrote

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playing of notes.

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There is actually an old, very old TV show

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where a character is saying, you know, he can play all the notes, technically he can follow the,

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the schema, but we can't play the music. Well, I like I like that a lot.

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All three of these things have the same approach. You know, you can point a camera at something, but you might not get a photo. Something that speaks to I see what you're saying. You're talking about the difference between objective and chip and subjective data.

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effectively the that there's a subjective ideal behind the things that we care about and that is something that we want to preserve

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is the extract as a bit of extrapolation about what you're saying that's my belief that like for example the note a for 40 is you know it represents for 40 is a frequency but it's not what it represents a is a is a logical unit that can be represented by for 40 but this is separately and distinctly not for 40 in my mind if that makes sense and i think that that right and it's not so much that writing code is like playing music hello in some ways i kind of think it is but is

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studying practicing things like that or photography i think make you are what you coding i am i ready good friend of mine named steve holden who has a

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you know a long history in the python community

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Is he made a great statement to me once he's in part of the lot of wisdom to me over the years, but one of the statements that he made was that we're building castles in the sky. And I love that, I think that it's so true. And that's really what we do. Because like, all these companies and all these things, and all these cool things, like requests and, and like Digital Ocean, and like a GPS and a droplet and like spaces, and you know, Kubernetes, like what is Kubernetes gets a Kubernetes doesn't exist. It's not real, right? But it is real, and it has a real impact on things. And that's what I want to touch on today is that Python is a good example. And Cooper daddy's is a good example of something that you have an interaction with, that you have a relationship with, that you interact with, and that it can affect your life in a profound way. And it's not real. And that's something that I think is inherently what other people call spiritual. And I think that there's a better word for that. That is less

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Well better, maybe a more technical word that we could use for that. I'm not really sure what that would be. But if anyone's listening and they have a good idea for that word, feel free to tweet us tweet at us. You can tweet me a kind of rights that I'd be very happy to hear what you think.

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Do you have any additional thoughts john?

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Yeah, I did and I'm really going into this This is fun.

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I

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Oh, yeah. About the how it's how it's not I think about that sometimes because you put so much of yourself

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into writing this code. I mean, I I'm sure many people do the same thing. You know, I

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stress over every stupid line and take it very personally if something doesn't add Jeff, I tweeted the other day of the guy was like

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he's like walking around like trying to take a variable name. So you like those inbox in the yard and then goes off.

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Yeah.

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like four hours?

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That's the important part, though, you know, and no, it is, and it's a little more permanent than I was gonna say it's a kinda like, the work in radio, and I would do the same thing I would, I worked on the creative side, and I would put all this effort into creating this piece that essentially is a 10 second

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bumper that no one's really going to pay attention to. And even if they do, and they're like, Oh, I was gonna cool. It's Yeah, I'll ever think of it in code can be a lot like that, you know, people don't really brag about what right to building it. Yeah, I think this is an opportunity for me to talk about my company, because they're sponsoring the show and kind of giving me the opportunity to bring the show back. I'm not so this is kind of separate from your organization, obviously. So

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I just want to say that I've had a real aha moment recently where I realized that our company really is

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really embraces efficiency in a way that is really unique, I think in the marketplace, because a cost efficiency specifically.

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And I think if you're a cost conscious organization and that you care about efficiency of, you know, anything, you just want to reduce the entropy of the universe, I think the Digital Ocean is a great place to run your stuff. And that's why I work there. And I just wanted to have a quick little shout out to them in the middle of this podcast. So thank you to them for sponsoring. And if you want to learn more, there's a hatch program that you should check out if you're in any kind of an accelerator program. We give lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of credits to people. Maybe that was too many lots, but it depends on just go to do that CEO slash hatch. And you will find information about the hatch program. And you can be in in a few days and you can have all the infrastructure you need at your disposal. So So thanks for that.

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Will add Sorry about that.

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So,

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is there anything else means to talk about that's like totally different topic or you wanted to talk about imposter syndrome. Let's switch to that.

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Yeah, but I don't All right. Well, just say the sentence that you told me that was really important. Like Don't let fear either half your life before you realize you can do what you want to