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From: Mark S. Miller <[email protected]> | |
Date: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:44 PM | |
Subject: "Future of Javascript" doc from our internal "JavaScript Summit" | |
last week | |
To: [email protected] | |
On November 10th and 11th, a number of Google teams representing a variety | |
of viewpoints on client-side languages met to agree on a common vision for | |
the future of Javascript. | |
This document | |
< | |
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1aPluaNecjfam8MbF_ewsKRYh55klKM7xXQ8Bf4TCBTc/edit?hl=en | |
is the result. It was first announced on Buzz at | |
< | |
http://www.google.com/buzz/a/google.com/komoroske/VxgE3F2yPyg/On-November-10th-and-11th-a-number-of-Google-teams | |
Please forward this message to people and groups that should know about | |
this. This internal list, [email protected], is the place we | |
should have the Google-wide discussion of this document and these issues. If | |
you'd like to join this discussion, please subscribe at < | |
https://groups.google.com/a/google.com/group/javascript-standard/topics>. | |
Executive Summary | |
Javascript has fundamental flaws that cannot be fixed merely by evolving the | |
language. We'll adopt a two-pronged strategy for the future of Javascript: | |
- Harmony (low risk/low reward): continue working in conjunction with | |
TC39 (the EcmaScript standards body) to evolve Javascript | |
- Dash (high risk/high reward): Develop a new language (called Dash) that | |
aims to maintain the dynamic nature of Javascript but have a better | |
performance profile and be amenable to tooling for large projects. Push for | |
Dash to become an open standard and be adopted by other browsers. Developers | |
using Dash tooling will be able to use a cross-compiler to target Javascript | |
for browsers that do not support Dash natively. | |
That’s the 10,000 foot overview. For more detail (including an FAQ), read | |
on... | |
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Future of Javascript State of affairs Building delightful applications on | |
the web today is far too difficult. The cyclone of innovation is | |
increasingly moving off the web onto iOS and other closed platforms. | |
Javascript has been a part of the web platform since its infancy, but the | |
web has begun to outgrown it. The web development community has been | |
backed into using large amounts of JS largely to work around the | |
deficiencies in the platform. Complex web apps--the kind that Google | |
specializes in--are struggling against the platform and working with a | |
language that cannot be tooled and has inherent performance problems. Even | |
smaller-scale apps written by hobbyist developers have to navigate a | |
confusing labyrinth of frameworks and incompatible design patterns. | |
The web has succeeded historically to some extent in spite of the web | |
platform, based primarily on the strength of its reach. The emergence of | |
compelling alternative platforms like iOS has meant that the web platform | |
must compete on its merits, not just its reach. Javascript as it exists | |
today will likely not be a viable solution long-term. Something must | |
change. | |
Overview of two-pronged solution | |
There are two ways to approach the problem: either we can try to evolve | |
Javascript, or we can push for a new language that addresses core problems | |
in Javascript that can’t be repaired easily or quickly. | |
The “evolve Javascript” option is relatively low risk, but even in the best | |
case it will take years and will be limited by fundamental problems in the | |
language (like the existence of a single Number primitive). Javascript has | |
historical baggage that cannot be solved without a clean break. Thus, | |
although it’s low risk, it’s also relatively low reward. | |
The “clean break” option is extremely high risk--it will be a huge challenge | |
to convince other browser vendors to rally around a new language--but is the | |
only way to escape the historic problems with Javascript. Thus, its high | |
risk is matched by the potential for a very high reward--a classic leapfrog | |
strategy. | |
Pursuing either strategy in isolation is likely to fail. The evolve | |
Javascript strategy, if executed in isolation, leaves the web in a hobbled | |
state and unable to compete against the encroachment of other, less open | |
platforms. The clean break strategy, in isolation, would leave us in an | |
undesirable situation if it were to fail--Javascript evolution would have | |
slowed down or evolved in undesirable ways without our support, we would | |
still have the fundamental flaws, and--worst of all--Google’s leadership | |
position on the web would be seriously damaged. | |
The only solution is to execute the two strategies in parallel. When the | |
leapfrog attempt succeeds (that is, it is an open standard and browsers | |
covering a majority of market share implement it), web programmers will have | |
a viable and superior alternative to JavaScript. | |
Harmony: Evolving Javascript | |
It is paramount that Google continue to maintain a leadership position on | |
important open web standards such as Harmony. Harmony is the name of the | |
agreed trajectory of EcmaScript in TC39. Our JS++ project (part of the | |
larger Parkour project) will join with our Caja project’s efforts to advance | |
Harmony. Together, we will focus on improving the public Harmony spec and | |
helping drive it forward at a faster pace in external standard committees | |
and by leading by example in Chrome wherever possible. | |
In order to help speed up what can be a long and drawn out standardization | |
process, the internal Harmony effort will experiment using a preprocessor | |
on top of V8 to prototype features in a way that allows real code to be | |
written against the proposal. Details of this approach are yet to be | |
determined. The effort will also work with other browser vendors (e.g. | |
Mozilla) to get experimental support included, providing further pressure to | |
get Harmony standardized and widely implemented quickly. Harmony will be | |
implemented in V8 and JSC (Safari) simultaneously to avoid a WebKit | |
compatibility gap. | |
Developers who can focus solely on Chrome can expect to be able to see some | |
Harmony features in Chrome (behind a flag) by the middle of 2011. Developers | |
focusing on all browsers will have to wait multiple years for direct Harmony | |
support, due to the relatively slow pace of the standardization process. To | |
enable Harmony developers to target all earlier browsers, we will enhance | |
our source-to-source translators (such as Caja’s ES5-to-ES3 translator) to | |
translate from a large subset of Harmony to earlier versions of JavaScript. | |
Harmony will continue to be evangelized by Google externally as the | |
evolution of Javascript. The audience for Harmony is developers currently | |
building on the web platform who wish to write standards-compliant | |
JavaScript. GWT, JSCompiler, and Caja continue to offer tooling support for | |
Harmony for those that need it. | |
Dash: The Clean Break | |
Dash is the leapfrog effort that is designed to be a clean break from | |
Javascript. It will seek to keep the parts that have made the Internet so | |
successful, but fill in holes everyone agrees it has. | |
Dash is designed with three perspectives in mind: | |
- Performance -- Dash is designed with performance characteristics in | |
mind, so that it is possible to create VMs that do not have the performance | |
problems that all EcmaScript VMs must have. | |
- Developer Usability -- Dash is designed to keep the dynamic, | |
easy-to-get-started, no-compile nature of Javascript that has made the web | |
platform the clear winner for hobbyist developers. | |
- Ability to be Tooled -- Dash is designed to be more easily tooled (e.g. | |
with optional types) for large-scale projects that require | |
code-comprehension features such as refactoring and finding callsites. | |
Dash, however, does not require tooling to be effective--small-scale | |
developers may still be satisfied with a text editor. | |
Dash is also designed to be securable, where that ability does not seriously | |
conflict with the three main goals. | |
Dash will be designed to be consumed in a number of locations: | |
- Browser VM -- Our aspiration is that Dash will ultimately be a viable | |
substitute for Javascript as the native client-side language of choice | |
across all browsers. | |
- Front-end Server -- Dash will be designed as a language that can be | |
used server-side for things up to the size of Google-scale Front Ends. This | |
will allow large scale applications to unify on a single language for client | |
and front end code. | |
- Dash Cross Compiler -- Dash will be designed so that a large subset of | |
it can be compiled to target legacy Javascript platforms so teams that | |
commit to using Dash do not have to seriously limit their reach. Platforms | |
that have a Dash VM can operate on the original Dash code without | |
translation and take advantage of the increased performance. One of the | |
ways we will evolve Harmony is to be a better target for such compiled Dash | |
code. | |
The goal of the Dash effort is ultimately to replace JavaScript as the | |
lingua franca of web development on the open web platform. We will | |
proactively evangelize Dash with web developers and all other browser | |
vendors and actively push for its standardization and adoption across the | |
board. This will be a difficult effort requiring finesse and | |
determination, but we are committed to doing everything possible to help it | |
succeed. | |
While Dash is catching on with other browsers, we will promote it as the | |
language for serious web development on the web platform; the compiler | |
allows such developers to target other browsers before those browsers | |
implement Dash. | |
The Dash language effort will be driven by Lars Bak and his team in the | |
Aarhus office. Bruce Johnson’s team in Atlanta will handle the tooling, and | |
Pavel Feldman in STP will provide Web Inspector level support for Dash and | |
Harmony. | |
Dash will be spec complete and have working bits for the browser in Q1 2011. | |
Developers who can focus solely on Chrome can expect to be able to rely on | |
some Dash features built into Chrome within a year. Developers focusing on | |
all browsers will have to make use of the Dash cross compiler to target | |
other browsers, and, depending on the success of the evangelizing effort, | |
might have to wait years for other browsers to implement native support for | |
Dash. | |
Although Dash is in the early stages of development, work is progressing | |
rapidly. You can learn more about the current proposal in this | |
presentation<https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/present/view?id=c6b9wv4_27fzwwsddk&revision=_latest&start=0&theme=google&cwj=true>. | |
FAQ Who authored this document? | |
Brad Abrams, Erik Arvidsson, Lars Bak, Darin Fisher, Dimitri Glazkov, Dan | |
Grove, Peter Hallam, Bruce Johnson, Alex Komoroske, John Lenz, Kasper Lund, | |
Mark Miller , Ivan Posva, Alex Russell, and Joel Webber, who collectively | |
represent TC39 (the EcmaScript standards body), WebKit, Parkour, Brightly, | |
JSPrime, JS++, Closure, JSCompiler, V8, Dash, Joy, and GWT, among others. | |
What happened to JSPrime? | |
The JSPrime effort was begun to unify and be a (single!) successor to GWT | |
and Closure/JSCompiler, suitable for large-scale development inside and | |
outside Google, including being amenable to IDE-like tools and static | |
compiler optimizations. The JSPrime team is happily folding its efforts into | |
Dash now that everyone agrees Dash will explicitly include the same goals. | |
What happened to JS++? | |
The collection of features under the JS++ umbrella have been folded into | |
Google efforts around the Harmony Javascript effort. We continue to seek | |
to improve the Javascript language to allow developers to better take | |
advantage of our DOM improvements. This is a better plan because it gives | |
us fewer independent Javascript evolution vectors. | |
What happened to Joy? | |
The Joy templating and MVC systems are higher-level frameworks that will be | |
built on top of Dash. | |
Where can I learn more about Dash? | |
Dash is still in the early stages of development, but work is progressing | |
rapidly. For an early look at the current proposal, see this | |
presentation<https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/present/view?id=c6b9wv4_27fzwwsddk&revision=_latest&start=0&theme=google&cwj=true> | |
. | |
How will Dash interoperate with the huge body of existing JavaScript | |
(JQuery, Analytics, etc) | |
Moving to a new language will be a very large undertaking. The specifics of | |
how inter-operation with current Javascript would work is still an open | |
question. | |
What about the existing code bases for large Google Apps? Won’t they have | |
to rebuild everything to take advantage of Dash? | |
The Dash Cross Compiler should be capable of taking typed Closure code (with | |
some restrictions) and converting to Dash. Although the migration process | |
won’t be fully automatic, it should make moving over to a Dash codebase | |
somewhat easier. | |
How does this affect Web Inspector? | |
Web inspector will continue to support Javascript including any new features | |
of Harmony that we add to chrome. | |
How does this affect our cloud IDE (Brightly)? | |
Brightly will enable building any web application in V1 using today’s | |
Javascript plus the additions in Harmony. As soon as it is ready, Brightly | |
will support Dash as well. We expect that the more prescriptive development | |
aspects of Brightly that will come on line in the future will be more Dash | |
focused. | |
We expect Brightly itself to be the first application written in Dash. | |
How will we get Harmony related changes into Chrome? | |
Very carefully ;-). V8 is carefully tuned for speed with the current | |
Javascript standard rather than flexibility--this makes it very difficult to | |
make experimental changes. We are considering pre-processors and a number | |
of other options, but ultimately the precise solution is still an open | |
question. | |
What about Go? | |
Go is a very promising systems-programming language in the vein of C++. We | |
fully hope and expect that Go becomes the standard back-end language at | |
Google over the next few years. Dash is focused on client (and eventually | |
Front-end server development). The needs there are different (flexibility | |
vs. stability) and therefore a different programming language is warranted. | |
Will Dash run on the Server? Android? | |
Yes, but short term we are focused on the client. | |
Does Dash replace Java? | |
For many projects that will be a viable option but it requires significant | |
engineering effort on Dash tooling and an extensive set of libraries. | |
Is Dash statically typed and toolable? | |
Dash is optionally-typed and with judicious use of types is as toolable as | |
Java. This enables “grown up” developer tools such as code-refactoring, | |
while still allowing small-scale or experimental projects the flexibility | |
that dynamism provides. | |
What is the future of the JSCompiler and GWT? | |
JSCompiler and GWT were already on a merger path. This effort gives us a | |
direction for that unification around the Dash language. We will actively | |
support teams for a long time on the current generation of JSCompiler and | |
GWT and provide fantastic co-existence and migration tools to Dash. | |
Why are you killing Javascript? | |
We are not! Google has a huge interest in keeping the evolution of | |
Javascript on track. In fact, our investment in TC39 (the Javascript | |
standards body) will likely increase somewhat, and we will continue to | |
honestly and whole-heartedly improve the language within the constraints. | |
What are the time frames? | |
The Dash VM and Dash Cross Compiler will be developed in parallel with the | |
language specification, and so should be available not long after the spec | |
is settled (likely in early 2011). However, the initial versions will not | |
be heavily optimized (and thus not necessarily ready for production apps) | |
until later (likely later 2011). | |
Experimental Harmony features will begin showing up in Chrome (behind a | |
flag) by midway through 2011, and will later be implemented simultaneously | |
in V8 and JSC (Safari’s Javascript engine) to avoid a WebKit compatibility | |
gap. | |
Why do you have two projects? Why not just one? | |
See the section above about why we’re pursuing a two-pronged strategy. | |
What will Google developers be using? | |
We will strongly encourage Google developers start off targeting Chrome-only | |
whenever possible as this gives us the best end user experience. However, | |
for some apps this will not make sense, so we are building a compiler for | |
Dash that targets Javascript (ES3). We intend for existing Google teams | |
using GWT and JSCompiler to eventually migrate to the Dash compiler. | |
What if other browsers don’t follow us with Dash? | |
Lars has promised to “sweet talk” the other browser vendors and, while we | |
are all eager to see this, we recognize this is a very difficult road. Our | |
approach is to make an absolutely fantastic VM/Language and development | |
environment and build great apps that fully leverage it in order to help | |
other browsers see the wisdom in following. Once Dash has had a chance to | |
prove its stability and feasibility, we are committed to making Dash an open | |
standard with involvement from the broader web community. | |
However, in the event that other browsers don’t follow, Dash can still be a | |
success. Developers that target only Chrome can rely on the Dash VM, and | |
developers that target other browsers as well can still make use of the Dash | |
compiler. In this event, the wider web will be stuck with Javascript as the | |
standard language--and that’s precisely why we must continue investing in | |
evolving Javascript. | |
Why are you circumventing the standards process? | |
We fully intend to cooperate fully with standards processes--the problem is | |
that the current standard processes are limited to Javascript, which is not | |
viable in the long term. Any effort with the historic baggage that | |
Javascript has will be extremely limited. We need to make a clean break, | |
make progress, and then engage the community. | |
What will we say at Google IO about Dash/Harmony? | |
Google deeply cares about the web. We care about making the web | |
incrementally better today (Harmony) as well as making it substantially | |
better in the future (Dash). Large scale applications should probably build | |
on Dash; smaller-scale developers might want to stick with Harmony until the | |
Dash standard gains ubiquity. Given that Dash is such a big bet we are | |
likely to spend much more time at IO on Dash, though of course we will spend | |
some time on the leadership position Google is taking in Harmony. |
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