Response to comments by Issac Roth of StrongLoop

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This is rather out of date and we've all moved past it. Me and Issac are cool now.

i hope @bnoordhuis and @piscisaureus are successful with what ever they do, they deserve it!

as long as there is an accessible git-repository with a cool LICENSE in it, everything is fine :D

My response is here: https://gist.github.com/piscisaureus/6707356

@mikeal I think of our relationship to node being rather close to Voxer.

We build a product (our mBaaS) that is completely tied to node. We're trying to sell this to big companies that are going to be pushing a lot of data. If node is performing badly, or we get irregular behavior, we need to be able to understand why, and fix it quickly. Employing Ben and Bert, who understand the internals of libuv and node very intimately, makes that possible. If node is performing poorly, a product on top of it is going to be a hard sell.

Let me stress that we are NOT trying to sell node. We are trying to sell our mBaaS, which happens to use node because we found it to be most suitable for the needs of the product. We are taking one particular common use-case of node, and trying to make it easier to build, monitor, and scale.

As for the "corporate sponsorship" statement, you're probably interpreting that a bit differently from how it really is in our case. We are not paid to sit around and make random stuff in node. We all have a whole pile of tasks that are critical to making our product competitive. Sometimes those tasks happen to be improving libuv or node itself to handle the capacity a customer requires.

@Qard sure, but the comments made by Roth don't echo the tone, content, or motivation your statements here have. I'm sure that we could talk this all out and come to an agreement but it wouldn't change the statements your CEO is making in public to the press.

@Qard Certainly the (frequently edited) StrongLoop website often contains somewhat misleading text, like:

(grabbed at Thu Sep 26 02:56:37 UTC 2013 from http://strongloop.com/node-republic/)

@nomdeveloper fixed

@mikeal @nomdeveloper I'm just a dev, so I don't have much say in the PR and wording of things. I agree that some of what has been said might smell a bit of corporate positioning, but we definitely are good intentioned. We're just a new startup, trying to get attention. Apparently it's working, albeit not in quite the way we intended.

When node started to get attention from big companies, Joyent would just bring Ryan into meetings with customers, sit him down, and say "we have that guy". We're basically doing the same thing with Bert and Ben. Perhaps that's a bit arrogant, but it's also true. Members of our team have made significant contributions to node. There's no denying that.

I'll be in SF this weekend mentoring at Startup Weekend, if you have any desire to speak in person. Feel free to reply here or DM me on twitter @stephenbelanger. Isaac will also be around, not sure what his schedule is though.

@mikeal Hi this is IssacR the person you're complaining about. :)

We could both be more precise in our commentary but I get the sense we both really care. Sorry for any harm done. I am adjusting and learning. Let's get together and talk it out. I live in SF so should be easy. I'll hit you on email.