#ironman logs

20:49 < szabgab> some time ago there was a post on how Java allows ISVs and 
                 many people to make money while Perl (and in general other OS 
                 languages) not ;  Can someone point me at that post?
20:53 < szabgab> oh, I knew I have to come here and ask it 
20:53 < szabgab> as I just found it :-)
20:53 < szabgab> http://mechanicalrevolution.com/blog/dynamic_languages_and_money.html
20:58 < mst> it's an interesting concept
20:58 < mst> the ecosystem is definitely different for OSS based languages
21:00 < szabgab> I wonder how we in the Perl community could help others to 
                 make money on Perl and on CPAN modules
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23:30 < perigrin> That article has a *huge* blind spot in it.
23:30 < perigrin> "Why would Apple's Objective C gain such popularity � because 
                  Apple has made efforts to ensure that the developers that use 
                  it can make (a lot of) money"
23:30 < perigrin> ObjectiveC made in-roads because Apple decided it was *the* 
                  language for the iPhone
23:31 < perigrin> they then pushed that ecosystem
23:31 < perigrin> "you want to write iPhone apps here's how..."
23:31 < perigrin> exactly the same story with .NET and Microsoft 
23:32 < perigrin> the whole middle of that article about certificates and 
                  whatnot is a huge red herring
23:32 < perigrin> you want to make Perl as popular as ObjectiveC or .NET 
23:33 < perigrin> you find a vendor with an incredibly popular platform
23:33 < perigrin> and convince them to make Perl the defacto standard for that 
                  platform
23:34 < perigrin> and you do things like "The actual tender documentation has 
                  been prepared by external consultants who are in turn 
                  certified Microsoft/Sun/IBM partners."
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23:42 < arcanez> perigrin: you've said too much
23:43 < perigrin> I'm sure I have.
23:43 < perigrin> People keep glomming onto certification like the only reason 
                  they don't have a job is because they didn't get a gold 
                  enough star.
23:44 < perigrin> I know people with no formal education who make six figures, 
                  and people with graduate degrees who don't.
23:45 < perigrin> The problem isn't that you're not certified enough, the 
                  problem is that whoever set the bar doesn't want *you* and is 
                  using the certification as an excuse.
23:45  * perigrin is done.
23:45  * perigrin takes this to a strongly worded text file.