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what's happening springmeyer? | |
<springmeyer> TWG! here we go :) | |
Hi everyone - if you are here for the Technical working group meeting... | |
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<springmeyer> here is a basic agenda: | |
<pgiraud> hello all | |
<springmeyer> Agenda | |
- raise hand if present, state name, and interests (in just a few words) | |
- What existing software tools has HOT sponsored or encouraged | |
- how can we best/better coordinate software development priorities for HOTOSM needs? | |
- What gaps exist in the current tools? | |
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<springmeyer> so, I will start by introducing myself | |
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<springmeyer> I'm Dane Springmeyer, on the board of hotosm, and excited to help coordinate and maximize the power of HOT through better software | |
others here for the meeting please introduce yourself | |
<pgiraud> I'm Pierre GIRAUD, hotosm member, mainly involved in the development of the Tasking Manager | |
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<harry-wood> I'm Harry Wood, also on the board of hotosm. Don't get much time to develop stuff, but if I did I'd make HOT stuff | |
<IknowJoseph> hello, Joseph Reeves, interested in using HOT software, will largely be lurking as I'm supposed to at work. | |
<harry-wood> Yeah ditto that. Supposed to be at work | |
<springmeyer> lurking is just fine, jump in any time :) | |
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<springmeyer> IknowJoseph: and harry-wood - for future meetings would later in the day be better? | |
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<harry-wood> Well for europeans maybe | |
<IknowJoseph> I'm not a developer, so I'd probably just lurk regardless of the time :) | |
* pgiraud is european too | |
<springmeyer> okay, when I send out meeting notes from this meeting I will propose a slightly later time | |
* geohacker is not. | |
<springmeyer> I'm west coast US, so this is pretty early for me :) | |
* Firefishy is African... Living in London town. | |
<springmeyer> great, for those that just joined I will re-state agenda: | |
springmeyer: - raise hand if present, state name, and interests (in just a few words) | |
[07:02am] springmeyer: - What existing software tools has HOT sponsored or encouraged | |
[07:02am] springmeyer: - how can we best/better coordinate software development priorities for HOTOSM needs? | |
[07:02am] springmeyer: - What gaps exist in the current tools | |
* geohacker is in India. IST is Indian Stretchable Time. | |
<springmeyer> geohacker: :) nice | |
geohacker: what are your main interests related to software and hot? | |
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<geohacker> springmeyer: I'm an independent consultant. and I help people to use maps. | |
<springmeyer> geohacker: great, and you are Sajjad Anwar ? | |
<geohacker> I work with NGOs in India to help them build geo infrastructure. | |
springmeyer: yes! :) | |
<pierzen> Pierre Béland, team member and interested in various aspect of HotOsm. EST Time schedule. Time is less a problem for me. | |
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<harry-wood> perzen==Pierre Beland !=the other pierre ….must try to remember that | |
<jgc> Jean-Guilhem Cailton, hotosm member, lurking while tracing in Tierralta | |
<pgiraud> I'm still interested in working on the Tasking Manager, my will is to make it as easy to use as possible | |
<springmeyer> pgiraud: great segway :) | |
<springmeyer> great, so intros are wrapping up, now I'll move to recapping existing tools that HOT members are actively working on | |
<geohacker> cool | |
<springmeyer> 1) pgiraud's Tasking Manager - http://tasks.hotosm.org | https://github.com/pgiraud/OSMTM | |
<springmeyer> many of us know and already love this tool, its in active use for HOT | |
<springmeyer> from a top level I'm excited to see it has a healthy issue queue: https://github.com/pgiraud/OSMTM/issues | |
<springmeyer> it is also linked off the new web site for HOT: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/get-involved | |
<pgiraud> what does healthy mean? | |
<geohacker> neat | |
<springmeyer> but we plan to have a "tools" page that will feature it and the others I'm about to cover | |
so that new people that are interested in HOT will be able to quickly find code to contribute to | |
<springmeyer> pgiraud: active, and long :) | |
<harry-wood> hehe. I was wondering what healthy meant :-) | |
<springmeyer> and with as many closed tasks as open :) | |
<geohacker> +1 to the tools page. | |
<pgiraud> I recently got pull requests from a potential contributor | |
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<springmeyer> geohacker: thx, this is on my plate for doing this week and I will sent out to the mailing list for review | |
<springmeyer> pgiraud: nice. can you summarize briefly what the big next steps are for the tool? | |
<pgiraud> no real road map, but many ideas that are still in my head | |
<springmeyer> okay, good enough. I'll move on then to cover things quickly... | |
<pgiraud> I tried to create a "draw your own area" feature to allow users to draw polygons | |
<geohacker> pgiraud: I can write Python. Have used web.py and now building stuff using Flask. | |
<springmeyer> 2) SDS-Server - https://github.com/hotosm/sds-server - a way to separately store private data tied to osm_id (works with JOSM plugin) | |
<geohacker> i'll touch base the code and see what I can do :) | |
<springmeyer> This tool was written by Geofabrik and used for the HOT indonesia project | |
since it deals with private data there is not a public instance, but the code is open | |
<pgiraud> what does SDS mean ? | |
<geohacker> okay. | |
<springmeyer> "Separate DataStore" | |
name comes from the specific JOSM plugin it integrates with | |
<harry-wood> back in a minute | |
<springmeyer> harry-wood: k | |
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<springmeyer> No actionable things on this tool for us as a group that I know of, but good to know it exists... | |
3) - Exports tool - https://github.com/hotosm/hot-exports | http://hot-export.geofabrik.de - currently instance is specific to Haiti but has a lot of potential | |
also written by the talented guys at geofabrik. it accepts a bbox and pumped out data extracts in a ton of formats | |
This tool is very new, I encourage anyone interested to get it running locally | |
I also would like to encourage thinking around how it overlaps/complements other export tools - this is obviously a common thing | |
<geohacker> so you basically create a new job, submit the bounding box. right? | |
<springmeyer> yes | |
It was specifically designed for the mapping needs in haiti where very non-techical users needed frequent extracts | |
<geohacker> okay. | |
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<pierzen> SDS Server https://github.com/hotosm/sds-server Description and More information link are not operational. | |
<springmeyer> pierzen: great, I will look at fixing that, thank you | |
Any other questions about those tools? | |
<geohacker> springmeyer: doesn't the hot-extract work for the whole planet now? | |
* geohacker tries | |
<springmeyer> geohacker: I was not aware that it did. the tool certainly could but I think its only populated with haiti data | |
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<springmeyer> that instance at least | |
So, that was my main list I wanted to cover today. | |
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<springmeyer> Anything I missed? | |
<pgiraud> maybe it's off topic, but is there any guideline about licenses for the tools? | |
<springmeyer> pgiraud: great question | |
<pgiraud> the tasking manager is currently NOT licensed | |
Kate already asked me about that | |
<springmeyer> The hot board discussed this and felt like the next step | |
would be to discuss licensing on the mailing list | |
<pgiraud> that's fine | |
<springmeyer> to gather peoples thoughts | |
<pgiraud> I'm open to any proposal | |
<springmeyer> HOT tools so far have tended to be BSD licenced | |
but I think we should discuss as a group a bit | |
<springmeyer> okay, great pgiraud | |
<jgc> pgiraud, seeing that the tasking manager can export task tiles as a shapefile, I was wondering whether it would be possible to also import task boundaries as a shapefile ? | |
<pgiraud> it should be really easy | |
<jgc> This could be useful to share checking of, eg, Orbview3 images | |
great | |
<pgiraud> don't hesitate to open an issue on that topic | |
<springmeyer> pgiraud: at https://github.com/pgiraud/OSMTM/issues, yes? | |
<jgc> ok | |
<springmeyer> thanks jgc | |
so, let's move on to next agenda items | |
good starting topics for discussion I felt are: | |
<geohacker> hmm Tasking Manager looks very interesting. | |
* geohacker clones. | |
<springmeyer> - how can we best/better coordinate software development priorities for HOTOSM needs? | |
- What gaps exist in the current tools? | |
So, basically: how can we work together better and what should be the top priorities? | |
<geohacker> sorry. I need to step out for a bit. back soon. | |
<springmeyer> we have 30 minutes to discuss freely here, if you have the time, so share you thoughts and take off when you need to | |
geohacker: k, see you later | |
<geohacker> springmeyer: I'll look up the log and respond. | |
<springmeyer> okay, good | |
So, my feelings are that we need | |
a page at http://hot.openstreetmap.org like http://hot.openstreetmap.org/tools | |
that lists all the top tools and potential needs | |
<pgiraud> can we say that using github is a good solution to work on code? | |
<springmeyer> yes, I think so | |
my second thought is to do a better job | |
promoting and using this group: and that we get more people | |
er, copy paste error | |
this group: https://github.com/hotosm | |
<pgiraud> I didn't know that this group existed | |
<springmeyer> right, it was created but not used much yet | |
so it is a possibility to use more | |
<harry-wood> Is it just a grouping of repos? | |
<springmeyer> harry-wood: yes | |
I can add each of you as members now - what do you think? | |
* pgiraud agrees | |
<harry-wood> yep. do it | |
<pierzen> +1 | |
<harry-wood> I was imagining I might have to do some coding work to show up on the list :-) | |
So we should/could add the tasking manager to this? | |
<pgiraud> I think so | |
<springmeyer> I would be supportive of that if pgiraud was open | |
<pgiraud> I am | |
<springmeyer> okay | |
<pgiraud> what do I need to do? | |
<springmeyer> can each of you state your github username? | |
(i realize it may be the same as IRC) | |
<harry-wood> https://github.com/harry-wood | |
<pgiraud> https://github.com/pgiraud | |
<pierzen> https://github.com/pierzen | |
<harry-wood> The thing I don't like about github is… it reveals just how much I talk about stuff and don't do anything :-) | |
<flavour> https://github.com/flavour awake now | |
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<pgiraud> harry-wood, talking is better than doing nothing | |
<springmeyer> hey flavour - nice nic | |
<Firefishy> https://github.com/Firefishy | |
<springmeyer> flavour: great to have you, can you state your name and general interests? | |
<flavour> Fran Boon, Sahana Eden lead developer | |
Interested in supporting Huamnaitarian Orgs | |
With Mapping tools | |
& Data | |
<springmeyer> awesome, thanks | |
<flavour> Work with IFRC, WFP, Oxfam, etc | |
<IknowJoseph> flavour: according to github we're in the same town? Oxford? | |
<flavour> ok :) | |
Cool, let's meet | |
<IknowJoseph> sounds good! | |
<flavour> So I integrate OSM into Sahana as much as possible - embed Potlatch, do import/export of our data to .osm format, use OSM Tiles as Baselayer | |
<springmeyer> okay, thanks team - all usernames added to the github/hotosm group | |
so you should recieve an email notice | |
<flavour> I assume the 'Potlatch on slow links' issue is more the data on live server as opposed to the client download? | |
<springmeyer> I may still shift around a bit, but the important thing is I have your usernames now | |
<flavour> We can fix the latter but not the former, obviously | |
I had wanted to be able to have a local replica of DB for edits | |
But that doesn't seem something that is easy to support in OSM currently | |
Although I guss that could eb done by adding to Sahana DB & then exporting as .osm | |
Funny hyow things click sometimes ;) | |
<springmeyer> flavour: I'm not fully following | |
we're discussing here the basic question of how can we work together better and what should be the top priorities for HOT re: tools and software | |
<flavour> Yup | |
Well, the editors issue had been one, wasn't it? | |
Raised by the training team | |
Potlatch easy to use but bad on slow links | |
JOSM hard to use but great offline | |
<harry-wood> yeah I was wondering about this too flavour. Wasn't clear if the issue was data traffic as opposed to the initial client download | |
<springmeyer> yes, thanks for tying together | |
<flavour> So I'm not sure iif Sahana can count as a HOTOSM tool | |
It certainly has some potential there | |
But it's not really its direct focus | |
<harry-wood> Is sahana quite a big well funded project? | |
I have that impression | |
<flavour> Pretty big although funds are project-tied as-usual | |
IFRC are investing a lot at the moment | |
<springmeyer> flavour: there are tools HOTOSM works on specifically and then a wider ecosystem we want to support | |
<flavour> We've been workign with Asia Pacific zone but both Americas & Africa have advertised for full-time positions to roll it out | |
<springmeyer> sahana I would say is definitely one | |
<flavour> So then IFRC will have 4 ppl globally working fuill-time on rolling it out | |
So a pretty big investment from them all in all | |
Cool - I see Sahana as beign a big way in which Huamnitarians will access OSM data | |
<harry-wood> and Sahana deployment (sending people places) projects etc. So it's a full-on organisation which HOT needs to mesh with | |
<flavour> & I'd like them to be able to contribute back more easily too as they have boots on the ground & know what's apepning | |
<springmeyer> for those who missed the acronym: http://www.ifrc.org/ | |
<flavour> Job Advert for Africa: http://bit.ly/IPQ5b4 | |
RMS = IFRC's branded version of Sahana | |
<jgc> springmeyer, sorry, I was not looking: https://github.com/jgc31 | |
<springmeyer> jgc: thx | |
so, we have just 5 more minutes until wrapping up | |
1) we covered existing tools | |
2) discussed coordinating better via github grouo "hotosm" | |
3) discussed related tools/projects like sahana | |
<flavour> How does the GitHub group improve coordination? | |
<springmeyer> 4) I mentioned I will be creating a tools page at http://hot.openstreetmap.org/ that I will look for review on | |
<flavour> Tools page will eb a Wiki? | |
* pgiraud is still wondering how to get OSMTM in the list of repos in the hotosm github's page | |
<springmeyer> flavour: open question. | |
<springmeyer> pgiraud: let's connect on that after the meeting | |
<pgiraud> ok | |
<flavour> We need some kind of sctrachpad | |
To work out where the gaps are | |
& suggest ways of bridging those | |
<springmeyer> flavour: yes, and maybe a high level issue tracker that indicates big gaps where we see solutions | |
<flavour> Can we use the GitHub group for that? | |
<springmeyer> flavour: sounds good to me - are others okay with that? | |
the other way to do it would be to use the osm wiki | |
<flavour> I'm not sure if GitHub groups have trackers | |
Seems to be just repos | |
I'm fine with the OSM wiki if GitHub doesn't have a non-repo locatiion...or we could create a dummy repo for the coordination? | |
<springmeyer> yeah, just repo's - so we could create a general repo for cross-cutting issues perhaps | |
yeah, exactly ^^ | |
ideas for names? | |
<flavour> Same as the group? hotosm | |
<springmeyer> k, good call | |
okay, meeting time is up | |
thanks everyone for showing up and discussing broadly. I think this sets us up nicely for future meetings | |
my actionable items are: | |
1) update hot.openstreetmap.org | |
2) create "hotosm" github repo to coordinate on wiki | |
<springmeyer> 3) work with pgiraud to discuss moving over tasking server to the hotosm github group | |
<springmeyer> 4) send out TWG meeting notes to the hot mailing list |
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