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Open Source is Not About You

Open Source is Not About You

The only people entitled to say how open source 'ought' to work are people who run projects, and the scope of their entitlement extends only to their own projects.

Just because someone open sources something does not imply they owe the world a change in their status, focus and effort, e.g. from inventor to community manager.

As a user of something open source you are not thereby entitled to anything at all. You are not entitled to contribute. You are not entitled to features. You are not entitled to the attention of others. You are not entitled to having value attached to your complaints. You are not entitled to this explanation.

If you have expectations (of others) that aren't being met, those expectations are your own responsibility. You are responsible for your own needs. If you want things, make them.

Open source is a licensing and delivery mechanism, period. It means you get the source for software and the right to use and modify it. All social impositions associated with it, including the idea of 'community-driven-development' are part of a recently-invented mythology with little basis in how things actually work, a mythology that embodies, cult-like, both a lack of support for diversity in the ways things can work and a pervasive sense of communal entitlement.

If you think Cognitect is not doing anything for the community, or is not listening to the community, you are simply wrong. You are not, however, entitled to it being the effort, focus or response you desire. We get to make our own choices as regards our time and lives.

We at Cognitect have to show up to work, every day, to make a living. We get no royalties of any kind from Clojure. We are in no way building Clojure for profit. Far fewer than 1% of Clojure users are our consulting or product customers, and thus contributing to our livelihood.

We take some of what we earn, money that could e.g. go into our retirement savings and instead use it to hire people to work on Clojure and community outreach, some full-time. To be honest, I could use that money in my retirement account, having depleted it to make Clojure in the first place. But I love working with the team on Clojure, and am proud of the work we do.

Alex Miller is extremely attentive to and engaged with the Clojure community. He and Stu Halloway and I regularly meet and discuss community issues. Alex, at my direction, spends the majority of his time either working on features for the community or assessing patches and bug reports. I spend significant portions of my time designing these features - spec, tools.deps, error handling and more to come. This is time taken away from earning a living.

I am grateful for the contributions of the community. Every Clojure release incorporates many contributions. The vast majority of the user community doesn't contribute, and doesn't desire to contribute. And that's fine. Open source is a no-strings-attached gift, and all participants should recognize it as such.

The Clojure process is not closed, but it is conservative. I think Clojure benefits greatly from that conservatism, in contrast to some other projects with high churn rates and feature bloat. If you disagree or imagine otherwise, that's too bad. It's my life and I'm not going to spend it arguing/negotiating on/with the internet. Write your own things and run your own projects as you see fit.

We can always do more, but it is specious to claim that the core team is standing in the way of meaningful contributions to Clojure, as opportunities abound: in library development, outreach, training, tutorials, documentation, giving talks, tool building etc.

And yes, on patches to core. Did you know that most patches/issues have poor problem statements, no description of the plan (read my code!), no consideration of alternatives, no tests, no designs, and are ill-conceived and/or broken in some way? Community efforts to triage matter a lot in moving things forward - thanks Nicola, Ghadi and many others!

The time to re-examine preconceptions about open source is right now. Morale erosion amongst creators is a real thing. Your preconceptions and how you act upon them are your responsibility and yours alone. I am not going to answer for them or to them.

If the way Clojure works isn't for you, a process which produced Clojure in the first place, paradoxically, so be it. I'm sure you know better about the one true way to write software. But kindly don't burn the community down on your way out, with self-serving proclamations. Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but, tragedy of the commons and all that.

I encourage everyone gnashing their teeth with negativity at what they think they can't do instead pick something positive they can do and do it.

Rich

p.s. My partners and coworkers at Cognitect were not consulted regarding this message - I am certain they would have dissuaded me. These opinions are mine alone.

p.p.s. I think the vast majority of people in the Clojure community are wonderful and positive. If you don't recognize yourself in the message above, it's not for/about you!

@nickdex
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nickdex commented Sep 5, 2021

I think we can learn something by seeing it from a larger perspective, and recognizing that a conversation regarding the balance between them
Completely agree. I'm constantly amazed how people don't even try to gain that perspective. People (maybe not all but many) have good intentions, they are coming in from different directions. Being polarized is just wastage (attention, time, resources etc).
Good to see that is not the case here 👏

Clojure is indeed a gift, and a very addictive one at that 😄 Thank you @richhickey for the clojure and all the meta talks. Some even provide great oneliners 🤣

@hinell
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hinell commented Dec 29, 2021

This blog post is nice, but could have been much shorter. Really.

@abserari
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abserari commented Jul 5, 2022

That's true. Opensource doesn't mean help you without any requirements. The community only exists in those who contribute themselves. Although open source brings so many valuable things to companies or society. Open source just opens the source and helps share the intelligence of the researcher.

Thanks for this post.

@stardiviner
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I agree with all your points.

I don't have other words to say but this one. Don't need to explain in commenter's own thought, or any other comments. This is just a declarement. No need to comment. (So this is not a comment, just a comment to other comments.)

@rlouf
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rlouf commented Nov 24, 2022

Hey Rich, I don’t use Clojure but I have found this post helpful as a maintainer of much smaller projects. So thank you for gifting us with this explanation as well.

@alurm
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alurm commented Feb 26, 2023

Thank you, Rich

@ignorabilis
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I cannot possibly understand the people that try to force their opinions on something that's not under their control. If you don't like some Clojure features - well fork Clojure and make them. You didn't pay for the thing and you weren't promised anything - it's as simple as that. Good or bad - the choices are not yours to make. Learn to respect other's people's effort, decisions, opinions, lives.

Thank you for Clojure and all the brilliant ideas. Those are truly a gift - and much more than that if you ask me, as they changed my whole career.

@ChipNowacek
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ChipNowacek commented Aug 30, 2023

Thank you for sharing the heartache that comes from folks not living their lives. The human developmental model is a double-edge sword which is very sharp on both edges. Most of us can't get past dependency. Socially and personally, we pay a very high price for our 9-month + 25-year-+ internship.

Your suffering is real. We can better share it now. Thank you for trusting us with it.

edit because a quote came to mind:

My mom said something. “You can lie down for people to walk on you and they will still complain that you're not flat enough." Live your life.

@cerebrux
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cerebrux commented Oct 9, 2023

Almost 20 years in open source and Free Software, couldn't say it better.

@vorant94
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I assume that strict linkage between read access to repo and access to create issues in GitHub is part of the problem... it creates illusion that if I can read the code therefore I can have a vote in its development

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t-lock commented May 24, 2024

This thread has been a very interesting read. Unfortunately, 98% percent of commenters (and therefor likely readers) have actually missed the forest from the trees. It seems that everyone has just read the OP and assumed this is about pesky un-involved people demanding features and fixes etc, or contributing bad patches and being upset about rejection.

It was actually born out of the misaligned expectations between the project founder / leader and one of its big contributors, who's projects have been influential in the larger community, where the leader has chosen to publicly lump that big contributor in with all entitled users, after said big contributor likely got over-emotional in a previous internal-to-us struggle and decided to leave (not that he was a part of the "Clojure team" as it were)...

So, if you are coming here as an "A HA, someone already wrote the definitive catch-all response to entitled brats in OS", that isn't what this actually is. You probably shouldn't link to it for that purpose either.

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Raymmar commented Aug 22, 2024

I don't even know the backstory here but appreciate the message. It resonates with me as I decide whether or not to open source a project I have been building with a small team over the last 18 months. Thanks for not consulting the team, or letting them dissuade you from posting this.

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