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tobixen commented Jun 26, 2021

In the end of the day, in many conflicts, it doesn't matter so much who is wrong or right - not even who is left or right - but more "whom do you trust the most". When one has chosen to trust one of the parties in a conflict, it can be difficult or impossible to understand the arguments of the other part.

TLDR:TLDR:
April, 3: tomaw starts hostile takeover with DNS access blocking
May, 25: tomaw finishes hostile takeover, dragged people to Libera

This is the most biased summary I've seen so far.

It's all down to the point of view. If you regard Freenode as a property of rasengan, then the first line above may be correct. Juridically, yes, apparently he has bought the domain name from Christel, and hence he has the juridical right to define what freenode.org should be. How much of the infrastructure he actually owns is another question - I don't know the answer to that one (rasengan claims he has spent a lot of money on running freenode, the other side claims that most of the hardware comes from donations from various other companies)

Freenode was not a product, but a community - even more, a collection of communities. I think a majority of participants on Freenode considered Freenode not to be some piece of property owned by one person, but more like free public infrastructure. I think most channel opers and open source project maintainers considered that when they had a channel on Freenode, the channel was owned by the project community or the project manager, not by rasengan. From that point of view, it's much easier to support tomaw than rasengan.

Freenode was not run by employees, but by unpaid volunteers. It's my understanding that all of them decided to leave, and all of them wrote their personal reason why they left. It is difficult for me to imagine that all of them supported a "hostile takover run by tomaw". Though, in the end of the day, in many conflicts, it doesn't matter so much who is wrong or right - not even who is left or right - but more "whom do you trust the most". When one has chosen to trust one of the parties in a conflict, it can be difficult or impossible to understand the arguments of the other part. It's not completely unlikely that they all chose side simply because they trust tomaw more than rasengan, and not due to the realities on the ground.

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Nakilon commented Jun 27, 2021

but more "whom do you trust the most". When one has chosen to trust one of the parties in a conflict, it can be difficult or impossible to understand

Timestamps isn't a hard thing. It's just numbers. Anyone who can read and understand numbers should be fine with that. Or do you chose to ignore the knowledge about text and numbers just for having fun of throwing shit around? We here all saw how and why it started, we saw who was the noe who really did histile and destructive actions, while such as you were just joining the train of hate and copypasting each others comments to flood the webpages m,making it harder for people to see timestamps.

one has chosen to trust one of the parties in a conflict

Yeah, that's the way you look at things -- by chosing the sides. I instead look at texts and numbers, at timestamps, I don't chose a side, I say only about facts. And unlike your new subset staff or linux channels ops or other haters only a few people were interesting in provinding you facts, the truth and making real timestamped notes instead of just copypasting hate. Rasengan was the one who made you a letter on May 12. Another guy who is interested in truth unlike tyou is the current gist owner. Others were posessing the information but didn't want you to know it, didn't want you to follow what's going on, to fool you. And you love to be fooled by them.

Freenode not to be some piece of property owned by one person

Exactly, but tomaw decided the opposite. It is there, written black on white, with timstamps, but you don't care, you just hate and keep pushing your shit outside fo organism all over the place.

It is difficult for me to imagine that all of them supported

OMG, this "argument" is targeted on 12 y.o. audience or what? In 1940 it was also difficutl to imagine how germans and then half of europe joined the party of burning jews. Grow up and learn psychology. Then rethink what happened.

in the end of the day it doesn't matter

Oh I forgot, you are a kind of nazi-apologist -- you take a part in building shit and after it makes the consequences you just leave laughing. You won't grow up, won't learn psychology, won't erthink what happened. Your only goal was to take part in hate and once facts have started to come together and the picture started to be clear to people you start trynig trying to assure people they don't even need to figure things out, lol. This is more than stupid, this is harmful, and you know it, because adding harm is what you aer here for, even if it's just your comments that can't overwrite the gist above.

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tobixen commented Jun 27, 2021

Godwin

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Nakilon commented Jun 27, 2021

You finally admitted you always had nothing to add other than hate.

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