webchick · April 14, 2012 01:04
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 10:04:58 AM jlmeredith: is the townhall meeting something that we can listen in on somehow?
 10:06:55 AM c4rl: I'm just here for the backscroll
 10:06:57 AM c4rl: nom nom nom
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 10:12:31 AM jlmeredith: I am on the conference call line - but there is no one else there
 10:12:44 AM jlmeredith: do I have the date/time messed up?
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 10:13:14 AM jlmeredith: here is where I am getting my info - http://association.drupal.org/node/1174
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 10:17:16 AM c4rl: jlmeredith: It's 10AM PT
 10:17:19 AM c4rl: right now
 10:17:23 AM c4rl: and all's well
 10:17:47 AM jlmeredith: are they holding the townhall meeting?
 10:17:50 AM Christian_X: 45 minutes yet, jl
 10:18:05 AM c4rl: jlmeredith: At 11AM PT
 10:18:18 AM Christian_X: yes.  That's 45 minutes away.
 10:18:45 AM c4rl:  It must be Friday
 10:19:11 AM Christian_X: lol!  indeed, it is.  Happy Friday to all.  
 10:19:41 AM jlmeredith: I took my information originally from here - http://association.drupal.org/node/1194
 10:19:46 AM c4rl: Well I guess in Hong Kong and Australia it's Saturday
 10:20:07 AM c4rl: jlmeredith: http://everytimezone.com/
 10:20:28 AM jlmeredith: my apologies everyone ... my computer is showing eastern time - just returned from DC ... ugg
 10:20:32 AM jlmeredith: thanks - duh
 10:20:53 AM jlmeredith: will be back in 45 min 
 10:20:53 AM c4rl: No worries jlmeredith, I thought you found a flaw in the Matirx 
 10:21:18 AM jlmeredith: given my week this week - I pretty certain someone found it and pushed me into it 
 10:21:38 AM c4rl: ha
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 10:53:55 AM jredding: Good Morning everyone!
 10:54:25 AM jredding: If you haven't yet please submit any of the questions that you have here: http://association.drupal.org/node/1194
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 10:54:54 AM jredding: Also if you'd like to call in and listen to my banter voice is available at 712-775-7300 x408068
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 10:58:14 AM jredding: http://association.drupal.org/node/1194
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 10:59:07 AM webchick: *is on the call and on IRC!*
 10:59:18 AM JoshuaRogers: For those of us who are at work and can't call in, is there any streaming option?
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 11:00:22 AM rfay: Post questions and concerns to http://association.drupal.org/node/1174
 11:00:58 AM webchick: I'll scribe into IRC.
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 11:01:10 AM michaelemeyers: i'm using skype out to dial into the call
 11:01:38 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob: Any particular topics you'd like to see covered?
 11:01:44 AM webchick-scribe: If so please post to http://association.drupal.org/node/1174
 11:01:47 AM willvincent: should be a free call for anyone in the US with google voice
 11:02:02 AM webchick-scribe: We all know the pink elephant in the room, but there's a lot of other things going on
 11:02:11 AM webchick-scribe: hopefully people have seen the most recent newsletter
 11:02:20 AM rfay: michaelemeyers, you might be able to record the session and that would be fantastic. Perhaps too much complexity of course.
 11:02:22 AM webchick-scribe: memberships, infra, and other improvements.
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 11:02:28 AM webchick-scribe: We launched BizConnect, DrupalCon London is on fire
 11:02:42 AM michaelemeyers: rfay, the call is being recorded and an mp3 will be made avail i believe 
 11:02:44 AM webchick-scribe: Drupal Cultivation Grants announced, what we're going to fund will be announced around DrupalCon London
 11:02:49 AM webchick-scribe: If you have questions around that, that's good.
 11:02:56 AM webchick-scribe: New governance structure: "At large" seats
 11:03:01 AM webchick-scribe: these are available to anyone and everyone in the community
 11:03:06 AM webchick-scribe: I'm watching IRC and listening
 11:03:07 AM michaelemeyers: jredding: can you confirm this call is being recorded?
 11:03:16 AM webchick-scribe: The call will be recorded when we start, so yes.
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 11:03:24 AM webchick-scribe: I'll start the recording as soon as we're all ready
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 11:03:32 AM webchick-scribe: Is there anyone on the call who is not in IRC?
 11:03:38 AM webchick-scribe: "Yes, Yes"
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 11:03:48 AM Bojhan: *is not on the call*
 11:03:53 AM webchick-scribe: We have 21 people on IRC, 2 people on the call, so 23 people, that's pretty good
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 11:03:58 AM webchick-scribe: that's about the turnout of our last two, which is great
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 11:04:53 AM webchick-scribe: heather just joined, cary just joined
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 11:05:51 AM webchick-scribe: For those who just hoined
 11:06:04 AM jredding: http://association.drupal.org/node/1194
 11:06:07 AM webchick-scribe: I'm monitoring the call and IRC, and there's a webform at http://association.drupal.org/node/1174
 11:06:10 AM webchick-scribe: foir questions
 11:06:14 AM webchick-scribe: Please mute if you're not talking
 11:06:19 AM webchick-scribe: going to go ahead and get started, starting recording
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 11:06:54 AM webchick-scribe: "This conference is being recorded"
 11:06:58 AM webchick-scribe: Let's get started!
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 11:07:13 AM webchick-scribe: Conference is being recorded, the transcript/recording will be on assocation.drupal..org after
 11:07:21 AM webchick-scribe: I've posted a sample agenda at http://association.drupal.org/node/1174
 11:07:32 AM webchick-scribe: and haven't seen any other agenda items.
 11:07:38 AM webchick-scribe: however, I think most people might be here because of the post on g.d.o
 11:07:41 AM webchick-scribe: and some ofthe chatter around that
 11:07:48 AM webchick-scribe: I'm here to say that we're here to answer any questions you have
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 11:07:51 AM webchick-scribe: and get that information out
 11:07:55 AM webchick-scribe: sometimes we get pretty busy
 11:08:02 AM webchick-scribe: and we don't get all of the information out as we want ot
 11:08:08 AM webchick-scribe: but there's nothing we're hiding for any reason.
 11:08:14 AM webchick-scribe: with that said, want to mention a few things we're working on
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 11:08:26 AM webchick-scribe: Want to pbring attention to the things in the DA that are pretty new
 11:08:38 AM webchick-scribe: One of those is that we've put a lot of time/attentjkn on our membership program the past few months
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 11:08:56 AM webchick-scribe: we're trying to build an Association that not just does a coerence, but builds an member org that people get involved in
 11:09:01 AM webchick-scribe: looked into what the community cared about
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 11:09:06 AM webchick-scribe: one of those things was member benefits
 11:09:12 AM arcaneadam: I'm trying to call the number and it's not working? 712-775-7300
 11:09:24 AM skyred: it doesn't work for me either
 11:09:26 AM webchick-scribe: if you haven't seen it, we now offer member benefits at https://association.drupal.org/membership/benefits
 11:09:35 AM willvincent: likewise
 11:09:42 AM willvincent: maybe it's locked out now that the meeting has started
 11:09:43 AM webchick-scribe: This is just a parnership. We don't sell our membership list
 11:09:56 AM jbrauer: working for me but I believe some phone carriers block that exchange
 11:09:57 AM webchick-scribe: This is just companies coming to us and offering to do thngs cheaper
 11:10:00 AM webchick-scribe: At DrupalCon London, we did something new
 11:10:08 AM webchick-scribe: for new members of the DA, we continued the early bird pricing past the deadline
 11:10:18 AM webchick-scribe: that was to create more cimmunity feel, get more people as mentors
 11:10:22 AM webchick-scribe: make this not just a conference org, but a member org
 11:10:26 AM webchick-scribe: really happy that this is working
 11:10:32 AM webchick-scribe: have seen a lot more members in the past several months
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 11:10:47 AM webchick-scribe: paul, I think you're on the line. Last I checked we're over 1400 individual and 500 business members?
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 11:11:11 AM webchick-scribe: yes, we're at 2,031 current members, 1,025 members since Jan 1
 11:11:11 AM JoshuaRogers: Google Voice also seems to be having a problem with it.
 11:11:32 AM willvincent: google voice isn't even attempting to dial it appears
 11:11:34 AM webchick-scribe: That's a great thing for us. Part of what this is doing, so people on the call understand
 11:11:40 AM webchick-scribe: DrupalCon has been the primary revenue source of the DA
 11:11:51 AM webchick-scribe: by building out membersships, it allows us to diversify our revnue strewam
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 11:12:04 AM webchick-scribe: so that we can gfund things like infra improvements, d.o improvments, etc.
 11:12:09 AM webchick-scribe: We still have a lot of work to do, but we're getting there
 11:12:10 AM arcaneadam: yeah Gvoice doesn't work
 11:12:13 AM webchick-scribe: os if you are a member, thank you
 11:12:15 AM arcaneadam: Skype does though
 11:12:15 AM psuway: If you have any suggestions about membership benefits you'd like to see, please let me know at [email protected]
 11:12:19 AM webchick-scribe: we appreciate you putting your time/money into our org.
 11:12:23 AM webchick-scribe: Any questions about our membership program?
 11:12:26 AM webchick-scribe: Otherwise, we'll move on
 11:12:37 AM webchick-scribe: I'm monitoring IRC and you can speak up oer the phjone if you like
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 11:12:53 AM webchick-scribe: Paul> For those not in IRC, please send email to paul@assoc...
 11:12:58 AM skyred: beeradb, how did u dial in? it's impossible here
 11:13:06 AM webchick-scribe: ???> Asked for IRC nanem
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 11:13:09 AM beeradb: skyred: via skype
 11:13:24 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob> Ok, so one of the things I'd like to bring up
 11:13:29 AM webchick-scribe: Community Cultivation Grants
 11:13:32 AM webchick-scribe: This is a brand new thing for the DA
 11:13:36 AM webchick-scribe: What we did this year was create a grant program
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 11:13:42 AM webchick-scribe: and you can see this grant program at a.d.o/grants
 11:13:43 AM skyred: beeradb, is webchick-scribe a bot?
 11:13:53 AM beeradb: 
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 11:13:57 AM webchick-scribe: Two grant cycles one that ends July 31, and another that opens after those in the fall
 11:14:00 AM webchick-scribe: 2nd grant cycle in late september
 11:14:00 AM willvincent: no she's just awfully fast at typing. 
 11:14:06 AM webchick-scribe: CCG are there to help foster/grow our communities
 11:14:16 AM webchick-scribe: to run Drupal trainings, if you're a small camp and can't get sponsorship, we can use it for that
 11:14:30 AM beeradb: well, skyred and I are sitting next to each other, which makes him asking me questions via IRC sort of strange.
 11:14:32 AM webchick-scribe: want to fly in a respected leader to run an educational seminar on core or building modules
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 11:14:39 AM webchick-scribe: it's there to get people engaged and educate people about Drupal
 11:14:41 AM webchick-scribe: foster/support the community
 11:14:46 AM willvincent: beeradb: I've done that before. 
 11:14:51 AM webchick-scribe: We want to open these ideas up to the community
 11:14:54 AM webchick-scribe: you can submit a request
 11:14:55 AM webchick-scribe: open to everyone
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 11:15:03 AM webchick-scribe: we have a committee to review the requwsts and can start doling out money
 11:15:10 AM webchick-scribe: we currently have some really great ones from all over the place.
 11:15:25 AM webchick-scribe: i just wrote up the results to the GA the other day. We have 8 proposals, and 6 different countries are represented.
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 11:15:32 AM webchick-scribe: so we're building this worldwide organization, one giant community
 11:15:37 AM webchick-scribe: these are important. I'm really excited for them.
 11:15:40 AM webchick-scribe: Questions on the grant program?
 11:15:42 AM skyred: willvincent, that's scary
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 11:16:07 AM webchick-scribe: I'm getting no questions, so going to skip quickly to the big elephant
 11:16:10 AM Bojhan: webchick-scribe: I have one question, it is very clear on parts that fall under the program examples.
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 11:16:12 AM Bojhan: waait 
 11:16:13 AM webchick-scribe: But just a few things that have been announced recently
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 11:16:17 AM jzaksh: *wants a topic to be here*
 11:16:30 AM webchick-scribe: We did launch bizconnect to connect our businesses together
 11:16:32 AM webchick-scribe: that's up on a.d.o
 11:16:35 AM webchick-scribe: before that there's a qjestion
 11:16:36 AM skyred: jredding, yes, will the grand be fairly distributely go to different continents?
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 11:16:56 AM webchick-scribe: Skyred asks "Will the grants be fairly distributed between different conteintent?"
 11:17:02 AM webchick-scribe: there's no requirement for them to be equally distributed
 11:17:11 AM webchick-scribe: just a requirement that the grabt community does what's in the best interest of the drupal community
 11:17:16 AM Bojhan: webchick-scribe: But a bit vague on what doesnt fall under it, can we have something like an open-hour next time? Before we put in a proposal? The knight news iniative does this. 
 11:17:18 AM webchick-scribe: but no restrictions on 25% to asia, NA, etc.
 11:17:18 AM mrconnerton: Who reviews and approves grants?
 11:17:22 AM skyred: jredding, thx
 11:17:29 AM webchick-scribe: "Who reviews and approves grants?"
 11:17:40 AM webchick-scribe: Right now we have 2 individuals and they're looking for build out their team
 11:17:51 AM webchick-scribe: thomas turnbull, michael anneloo
 11:17:58 AM webchick-scribe: thomas lives in NYC and very active in Drupal NYV
 11:18:06 AM webchick-scribe: Michael active in the FLorida area and very active there
 11:18:06 AM jlmeredith: Question: Has there been any exploration of sponsored grants?
 11:18:24 AM webchick-scribe: (Bojhan can you please format your comments as a question?)
 11:18:31 AM jlmeredith: i.e. A company wants to sponsor a grant
 11:18:39 AM webchick-scribe: jacob is not sure what "exploration of sponsored grants" means
 11:18:41 AM ultimike: Bojhan: we had an open hour on IRC last week. We'll do more as people request them.
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 11:18:53 AM tom_o_t: skyred: there was a Q&A https://association.drupal.org/node/1039#comment-1069
 11:18:53 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob asking for clarification on jlmeredith's question
 11:19:16 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob> That's come up here and there, but nothing really serious in the works for corporate sponsroship
 11:19:26 AM tom_o_t: sorry skyred , meant to address that to Bojhan 
 11:19:29 AM webchick-scribe: maybe longer term we might consider it, ut for now we want them with no strings attached
 11:19:42 AM lisarex: jredding: question via IRC.... is there any content on d.o. (e.g. in the About pages, etc) that the DA is responsible for? Or is it entirely community-driven? That not clear to me or the Docs leads.
 11:20:11 AM webchick-scribe: but can see something like GSoC. That's a grant we get from Google and we do pay it out to students
 11:20:12 AM Bojhan: webchick-scribe: tom_o_t just answered my question, there was an open hour - just not very publicly announced. 
 11:20:13 AM jlmeredith: that is a perfect example of what I am referring too
 11:20:33 AM webchick-scribe: We have a process in place to do that, but nothing doing that right now apart from our own brand
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 11:21:19 AM webchick-scribe: Bojhan: jacob says the idea of publicizing these open hours more widely is good fedback
 11:21:39 AM webchick-scribe: lisarex had question: any content on d.o in about pages, etc. that the association is responsible for, or is it entirely community-driven?
 11:21:44 AM webchick-scribe: really good question
 11:21:48 AM webchick-scribe: i'm going to do my best to answer
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 11:21:55 AM webchick-scribe: if there are others who can answer, please step in
 11:22:04 AM webchick-scribe: i'm talking as a staff member (someone the DA hires and pays)
 11:22:11 AM webchick-scribe: Drupal.org is the community's website, it's not ours (the DA's)
 11:22:19 AM Bojhan: webchick-scribe: Yhea, perhaps an agenda? 
 11:22:22 AM webchick-scribe: We are authorizedd to work on it and improve it, but where *they* see fit.
 11:22:32 AM webchick-scribe: A big example is advertising
 11:22:45 AM webchick-scribe: we can run advertising, but only where community says is appropriate
 11:22:46 AM beeradb: So this related to the previous topic: It's great the DA is trying to increase membership to be more reflective of the community, is there any say non GA / Board members get in the direction of the association as a whole? Will they be represented in the new board structure?
 11:22:55 AM webchick-scribe: we will remove it if it's deemed inapproproiate
 11:23:02 AM webchick-scribe: the only page that's run by DA is drupal.org/hosting
 11:23:13 AM webchick-scribe: (Bojhan 	please don't address comments to me; I am scribing)
 11:23:42 AM Bojhan: jredding: ehm, to you  Perhaps an agenda on assocation website. 
 11:23:44 AM webchick-scribe: This is a directory of great hosts that the DA helps to vet, so we ensure people are working with good hosts and have a good relationship with
 11:23:57 AM webchick-scribe: anyone else ?
 11:24:19 AM webchick-scribe: Any other questions about the Drupal Association's relationshio with d.o?
 11:24:31 AM webchick-scribe: Jsmie Meredith>
 11:24:37 AM jredding: Bojhan: Can you elaborate, please?
 11:24:57 AM webchick-scribe: Has the association considered having a focued space on gdo or one of the other Drupal pieces of real-estate that is specicic to allowing people to ask detailed questions and get a response from a DA member?
 11:25:01 AM Bojhan: jredding: An agenda, that lists events/open hours of the assocation. 
 11:25:05 AM webchick-scribe: Not necessarily an open firum, but a close dQ/A thing?
 11:25:21 AM webchick-scribe: A lot of questions come up in local user groups but a lot of those can be addressed in open QA space.
 11:25:28 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 11:25:43 AM webchick-scribe: That's a great suggestion. The direct answer is "have we dicussed it?" it's come up here and there. no mandate to create that
 11:26:03 AM webchick-scribe: with that said, we try and be as open as possible, and we're realizing that there's definitely work that can be done, in terms of how we can be contacted.
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 11:26:07 AM webchick-scribe: we do have a contact form on a.d.o/contact
 11:26:10 AM webchick-scribe: that gets routed to the correct people
 11:26:21 AM webchick-scribe: for private issues, we recently laiunched a Conflict of Interest committtee this summer
 11:26:34 AM webchick-scribe: they plan to have a way for people to contact them in pricate or any items that need to be discussed in orivate
 11:26:39 AM webchick-scribe: opened up a forum on ad.o 
 11:26:43 AM jlmeredith: excellent!
 11:26:48 AM webchick-scribe: for a public place for questions to be answered publicly
 11:26:53 AM jlmeredith: that is what I was looking for
 11:26:54 AM webchick-scribe: we don't have any plans on g.d.o
 11:26:59 AM webchick-scribe: if you have a vision, we would be open to that
 11:27:04 AM webchick-scribe: we want to make sure we're listening to everyone on the commiunity
 11:27:05 AM psuway: the forum on Association.Drupal.org is at http://association.drupal.org/forum
 11:27:10 AM webchick-scribe: and everyone understands for how to get in touch with us
 11:27:21 AM webchick-scribe: Jamie> I think the forum open under assciation, that answers my question
 11:27:37 AM webchick-scribe: I think for governance of the community, it's good to have a focused space to discuss these issues without them being "out in the wild" in wider drupal community
 11:27:47 AM webchick-scribe: because a lot of times these discussions end up being very heated, and only end up with 1-sided conversation
 11:27:53 AM webchick-scribe: I think this is a good step in the right direction
 11:27:56 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob> I 'd agree
 11:28:04 AM webchick-scribe: As we recently saw, there was a pretty heated discussion on g.d.o
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 11:28:16 AM webchick-scribe: as it was directly related to ad.o, thought it more appropriate it to be on a.d.o
 11:28:26 AM webchick-scribe: Separation between DA and the drupal community
 11:28:33 AM webchick-scribe: we're there to support the commnunity, but not tell the community what to do.
 11:28:43 AM webchick-scribe: Did I miss any questions in IRC
 11:28:47 AM webchick-scribe: ?
 11:29:02 AM webchick-scribe: Bojhan had a suggestions about a list of events/open hours for the Association
 11:29:04 AM webchick-scribe: like an event calendar
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 11:29:05 AM jlmeredith: agreed!
 11:29:06 AM webchick-scribe: we should work on that.
 11:29:08 AM beeradb: repost of my previous question: So this related to the previous topic: It's great the DA is trying to increase membership to be more reflective of the community, is there any say non GA / Board members get in the direction of the association as a whole? Will they be represented in the new board structure?
 11:29:09 AM webchick-scribe: we need to get better at our communication.
 11:29:28 AM webchick-scribe: There's a great question on IRC that I want to get to
 11:29:29 AM skyred: who is using Windows? I heard the error sound
 11:29:41 AM webchick-scribe: We have other things to discuss and then we can get into the thread on gdo
 11:29:43 AM arcaneadam: The devil uses windows
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 11:29:50 AM webchick-scribe: if you hjave questions on bizconnect, please post them now
 11:29:53 AM ezra-g: Re events calendar, wouldn't that be groups.drupal.org/events ?
 11:29:58 AM ezra-g: err http://groups.drupal.org/events
 11:29:58 AM webchick-scribe: i want to talk about it, but want to leave time for what I think we're all here for
 11:30:06 AM webchick-scribe: bizconnect is a program to connect businesses together
 11:30:15 AM webchick-scribe: a newsletter to help biusinesses understand how to get involved in the drupal project
 11:30:25 AM webchick-scribe: important for us, so businesses understand the importance of contributing bac
 11:30:28 AM Bojhan: ezra-g: assocation only things
 11:30:30 AM webchick-scribe: they don't know how, we want to help them
 11:30:35 AM webchick-scribe: here's how to contribute to core, here's how to contribute modules
 11:30:38 AM ezra-g: Bojhan: gocha
 11:30:42 AM lisarex: How is the newsletter delivered? Who is writing it? And proofing it 
 11:30:48 AM webchick-scribe: after that, want to get them involved in camps
 11:30:53 AM webchick-scribe: so maybe nbot code, mayeb interaction
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 11:31:06 AM webchick-scribe: then other programs like conferene sponsorshoip, advertising… ways to financially support the community
 11:31:20 AM webchick-scribe: when we talk to the businesses, first and foremost, _contribution_ is how to give to the projcet
 11:31:26 AM webchick-scribe: donate developer time, PM time, usability tim, etc.
 11:31:29 AM webchick-scribe: after that it's "live interaction"
 11:31:35 AM webchick-scribe: and finally, financnial sponsorship
 11:31:40 AM webchick-scribe: $$$ is important, but tbhat's not 31
 11:31:41 AM webchick-scribe: #1*
 11:31:46 AM webchick-scribe: Question from lisa about newsletter
 11:31:52 AM webchick-scribe: Megan Sanicke is writing it
 11:31:55 AM webchick-scribe: Paul helps proof a lot of times
 11:32:03 AM webchick-scribe: It goes out to org. members and those who have signed up for that newsletter
 11:32:08 AM lisarex: *signs up*
 11:32:13 AM lisarex: thanks jredding 
 11:32:15 AM webchick-scribe: there's an announcement on a.d.o, and a place to sign up for that newsletter
 11:32:25 AM webchick-scribe: Additional questions on Bizconnect?
 11:32:38 AM webchick-scribe: We'll quickly go over DrupalCon London, then we'll get to it.
 11:32:45 AM webchick-scribe: If you have questions on DCL, please post on IRC
 11:32:51 AM webchick-scribe: DCL is shaping up to be an AMAZING conference
 11:33:03 AM webchick-scribe: last year we were in CPH and had a lot fo fun, pulled just over 1000 making it one of the largest to date
 11:33:08 AM webchick-scribe: in Europe we've generally seen 20% growth
 11:33:19 AM webchick-scribe: in paris, we had about 900 people. then we skipped over to 1000
 11:33:23 AM webchick-scribe: but we've seen HUGE growth for DCL
 11:33:29 AM webchick-scribe: we're looking at 50% growth
 11:33:34 AM webchick-scribe: if we threw the conference today, we'd have 1500 people
 11:33:42 AM webchick-scribe: we're still selling tickets, and getting very close to selling out
 11:33:49 AM webchick-scribe: team is probably going to announce a number og tickets left very soon
 11:33:55 AM webchick-scribe: if you haven't bought tickets and are procrastinaging, DONT
 11:34:02 AM webchick-scribe: it's going to be awesome, we've done really well with this conerence
 11:34:11 AM webchick-scribe: Any questions on DCL? Cos that's my sales pitch, and we're moving on 
 11:34:25 AM webchick-scribe: All right, there was a question on IRC… we're going to go right into the meat of the matter.
 11:34:47 AM skyred: it's BEER ADB
 11:34:53 AM jredding: So this related to the previous topic: It's great the DA is trying to increase membership to be more reflective of the community, is there any say non GA / Board members get in the direction of the association as a whole? Will they be represented in the new board structure?
 11:34:56 AM webchick-scribe: (confusion about how to pronounce beeradb )
 11:35:09 AM webchick-scribe: lead off governance talk with this
 11:35:12 AM webchick-scribe: brad> 
 11:35:21 AM webchick-scribe: Earlie you talked about a membership drive, and giving people extra benefits
 11:35:31 AM webchick-scribe: was just curious if people who weren't partr of the board/GA have any say in the org?
 11:35:36 AM webchick-scribe: rather than just discounts to vendors and stuff
 11:35:57 AM webchick-scribe: trying to get an ideas on the involvement of the community in the association
 11:36:00 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 11:36:02 AM webchick-scribe: I think that's an awesome question
 11:36:14 AM webchick-scribe: I was part of the governance process that helped creat the recommendation an the new governance structure
 11:36:20 AM webchick-scribe: Are there any board members who want to talk about that?
 11:36:23 AM skyred: Beer is Drupal's fashion --- Jacob Redding
 11:36:41 AM jredding: I'l scribe. 
 11:36:54 AM jredding: so I'll give a rundown of why we wanted to do this
 11:37:06 AM jredding: we have this problem right now wherein the GA is appointed by other people in the GA
 11:37:22 AM jredding: so we have this friend of a friend type thing where in people have to know people
 11:37:26 AM jbrauer: (Jredding is scribing for webchick here)
 11:37:46 AM jredding: at the end of the day it is the community that provides governance for the DA rather the GA itself. 
 11:37:51 AM jredding: it is those people on blogs, etc. 
 11:38:07 AM jredding: so we wanted to open it up so that other people can get involved and be part of the process and governance
 11:38:32 AM jredding: and to get around the problem of an echo chamber. 
 11:38:39 AM jredding: *is failing horribly*
 11:38:48 AM jredding: *can't tpe fast enough*
 11:39:05 AM mrconnerton: summarize
 11:39:23 AM jredding: In the new model we created an advisory board and also a nomination committee to help advice the board and to bring in new baord member
 11:39:28 AM jredding: we also created at-large members. 
 11:39:32 AM jlmeredith: jredding: webchick is the superwoman of explanation - just do your best 
 11:39:38 AM jlmeredith: 
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 11:40:02 AM jredding: at-large members allows the community to get involved without having to sign up for a long term
 11:40:04 AM webchick-scribe: taking back over 
 11:40:08 AM tom_o_t: Question on board structure & diversity - at http://association.drupal.org/node/1139 it mentions that board members need to pay own travel expenses for four meetings a year - this seems to prohibit participation. Any thoughts on how to mitigate that and encourage diversity?
 11:40:37 AM webchick-scribe: Are there questions? Let's open this up
 11:41:00 AM webchick-scribe: Question: node/1139 says board members have to pay their opwn expenses for 4 meetings/year
 11:41:07 AM webchick-scribe: Seems to limit partocipation
 11:41:21 AM webchick-scribe: No, that's not really true. We *prefer* that board members are part of the drupal commumity
 11:41:30 AM webchick-scribe: and yhey'll be at DrupalCOn anyway.
 11:41:36 AM webchick-scribe: We also didn't want to set up a sitiation where this was a paid gig
 11:41:43 AM webchick-scribe: being a board member, it's a benevolent thing
 11:41:46 AM wundo: IMO tom_o_t question is specially important, cause that 4 meetings per year may discourage member outside the USA <-> Europe zone.
 11:41:49 AM webchick-scribe: you really can't get into it for personal benefit
 11:41:56 AM webchick-scribe: or you're not going to get it, financially or otherwise
 11:42:02 AM webchick-scribe: have to do it for the love of the community
 11:42:09 AM highermath: hand
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 11:42:12 AM webchick-scribe: so we're looking for people who can incur their own travel, incur their own costs.
 11:42:15 AM webchick-scribe: like manye board menbers have in the past
 11:42:24 AM webchick-scribe: i've been a board member for some time, incurred many expenses myself
 11:42:26 AM webchick-scribe: with that said
 11:42:32 AM webchick-scribe: we don't want to limit participation
 11:42:38 AM webchick-scribe: so if there's a great board member who needs travel assistance
 11:42:41 AM webchick-scribe: we'll work with that.
 11:42:41 AM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 11:42:52 AM tom_o_t: great
 11:42:54 AM webchick-scribe: Wanted to make a comment about this and the 4 meetings thing
 11:43:06 AM webchick-scribe: the board and the gov committee both discussed this
 11:43:16 AM webchick-scribe: really felt that we were falling behind in not having live, in-person meeting more often
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 11:43:33 AM webchick-scribe: definitely a hardship for people out of country
 11:43:43 AM webchick-scribe: but not having face-to-face meeting on a regular basis really gets in the way of getting work done
 11:43:48 AM webchick-scribe: we've talked about it at length
 11:43:53 AM webchick-scribe: and decided this is something we want to try and go for
 11:43:56 AM wundo: The problem is that this is not only about costs, depending on the nationality of the member other expenses and problems may happening (I'm talking about VISA here), what is the plan to mitigate that?
 11:44:05 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 11:44:08 AM webchick-scribe: Question aboit views
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 11:44:11 AM webchick-scribe: LOL visas
 11:44:17 AM webchick-scribe: (sorry, muscle memory)
 11:44:20 AM wundo: webchick-scribe:  lol
 11:44:25 AM webchick-scribe: Vias are hard.
 11:44:25 AM webchick-scribe: Tjat
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 11:44:30 AM webchick-scribe: 's the end of the stoyr. they're difficult.
 11:44:36 AM webchick-scribe: none of these things are set up to prevent anyone from being on our board
 11:44:37 AM skyred: U.S. are hard!
 11:44:49 AM skyred: sorry, U.S. visas are hard
 11:44:50 AM webchick-scribe: if someone's a great person and has visa torubles, there's no reason we wouldn't accept that person as a board member
 11:44:55 AM webchick-scribe: but there's nothing we can do about politics
 11:44:58 AM webchick-scribe: visas are what visas are
 11:45:05 AM wundo: skyred: exactly. 
 11:45:12 AM webchick-scribe: Angie > a follow up to that
 11:45:36 AM Bojhan: webchick-scribe: you will need assocation to help get the person a business visa. Then its fine
 11:45:48 AM webchick-scribe: If a board member couldn't make it, would they be conferenced in or?
 11:45:58 AM wundo: still it would be possible to try to have meetings in countries where it's easy to get a visa (e.g. western continental europe)
 11:46:01 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob> I would prefer a board member to respond to thatl I'm no longer on the board.
 11:46:26 AM webchick-scribe: Cary> Two things. fi a bm can't get to a meeting because of visas, short of an act of god or a flying spaghetti monster, we'd make whatever arrangements we could make to accommodate them
 11:46:50 AM webchick-scribe: the DA would need to put resources behind helping board members get visas or doing whatever we could to mitigate the situatiob
 11:46:52 AM webchick-scribe: it's a real issue
 11:47:03 AM webchick-scribe: Dries accommodated us by coming to the US for awhile
 11:47:08 AM webchick-scribe: but we definitely need to have an international board
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 11:47:20 AM webchick-scribe: need to have a board that represents our community wiorldwide
 11:47:23 AM webchick-scribe: so this is definitely something we'll have to deal with.
 11:47:30 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob > 
 11:47:42 AM webchick-scribe: I think the short answer for that is that for some people it might be prohbitivie
 11:47:44 AM webchick-scribe: it's not meant to be
 11:47:49 AM webchick-scribe: it's meant to set an expectation
 11:47:56 AM webchick-scribe: we want 4 in-person meetings per year, more effective
 11:48:00 AM webchick-scribe: big change in governance going forward.
 11:48:03 AM webchick-scribe: but not meant to be exclusive.
 11:48:07 AM webchick-scribe: meant to set an expectation
 11:48:17 AM webchick-scribe: board will do the best that they can to accommodate.
 11:48:21 AM davereid: and these meetings are for the board of directors only correct - not the larger included advisory board?
 11:48:25 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob looking at online form for other governance questins
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 11:48:33 AM webchick-scribe: Dave reid had question
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 11:48:44 AM webchick-scribe: Meetings for BoD only, not larger avisoty borad?
 11:48:46 AM webchick-scribe: Yes. That's correct.
 11:49:03 AM webchick-scribe: I have 7 questions submitted to me, all by one person 
 11:49:13 AM webchick-scribe: heather was the 8th, asking about timezones
 11:49:20 AM webchick-scribe: 7 questions are regarding DrupalCon and Governance
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 11:49:29 AM webchick-scribe: I'm going to talk about governance one first
 11:49:31 AM webchick-scribe: because we're on topic
 11:49:40 AM webchick-scribe: and if there are any board members who want to respond to these, feel free to raise hand in IRC
 11:49:44 AM webchick-scribe: two of these were answered by Kieran this morning
 11:49:56 AM webchick-scribe: if you haven't read his post on a.d.o, that would be a good first step
 11:49:59 AM webchick-scribe: "Improving the Drupal Association"
 11:50:06 AM webchick-scribe: 2 questions asked
 11:50:16 AM webchick-scribe: 1. Does DA have a poublic policy on COI? If so, where is it?
 11:50:19 AM webchick-scribe: Yes.
 11:50:22 AM Amazon: http://association.drupal.org/blog/kieran/improving-the-association-July-22-2011
 11:50:29 AM skyred: jredding, Nominations for Directors of the Drupal Association has the preference over Geographic diversity,  does the nomination also have the preference over age diversity?
 11:50:37 AM webchick-scribe: At the retreat in chicago, the process was started. This is largely borrowed from DCI, which has had a policy since it was filed.
 11:50:49 AM webchick-scribe: But that policy has not yet been adopted, and so it isnt yet public
 11:50:58 AM webchick-scribe: hopefully that policy will be ratified soon, and then it will be public
 11:51:02 AM webchick-scribe: Questions on that?
 11:51:04 AM webchick-scribe: Randy>
 11:51:24 AM webchick-scribe: First, thank you to all of you, both paid and unpaid who use your time to make the DA run
 11:51:41 AM webchick-scribe: My question is about what you just said.. the policy has not been approved yet, so can't be public. Why can't it? That seems odd.
 11:51:44 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob > 
 11:51:49 AM jlmeredith: I have the same question
 11:52:28 AM webchick-scribe: Angie > I don't have a good answef for that. Probably because that's how we've traditionally done tings.
 11:52:31 AM Amazon: hand - I'd like to say something about board nominations
 11:52:31 AM webchick-scribe: Jamie > 
 11:52:41 AM jredding: scribing for webchick: No real reason, probably because we haven't thought it. too busy. 
 11:52:44 AM webchick-scribe: I had a question about this. Lots of things discussed/hashed out in private
 11:52:58 AM jredding: Amazon: Noted. Directly after this topic
 11:52:58 AM webchick-scribe: I don't feel like the DA has any ill intent.
 11:53:21 AM webchick-scribe: But the discussion on gdo is very much centered around veil of secrecy "behind the wizard's curtain"
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 11:53:42 AM webchick-scribe: Where does the DA draw the line between what's necessary to keep internal vs. what can be part of the open discussion for entire community
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 11:53:51 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob >
 11:54:02 AM webchick-scribe: Cary >
 11:54:12 AM webchick-scribe: I think the source for a lot of these issues is that we are a small organization with limited resources
 11:54:15 AM webchick-scribe: who try and do a lot of stuff
 11:54:24 AM webchick-scribe: We were making a lot of changes a year or so ago
 11:54:29 AM webchick-scribe: we did a lot of stuffthat wasn't well documented
 11:54:37 AM webchick-scribe: that we should've spent more time on the details on
 11:54:40 AM webchick-scribe: i believe that'w where this is coming from
 11:54:44 AM webchick-scribe: it's not any intenbt to cloak what's being done
 11:54:55 AM webchick-scribe: we ewre just oging crazy trying to reorganize how drupalcons were done
 11:54:58 AM webchick-scribe: so we didn't have a crisis every moment
 11:55:02 AM webchick-scribe: trying to turn into more sustainable organization
 11:55:06 AM webchick-scribe: they are all in the minutes
 11:55:10 AM webchick-scribe: which have just now been released
 11:55:12 AM webchick-scribe: I understadn
 11:55:16 AM webchick-scribe: i understand people's frustrations
 11:55:28 AM webchick-scribe: I think we're not doing things in secret, we're just doing them quicker than our ability to support them
 11:55:34 AM webchick-scribe: Jamie ?>
 11:55:37 AM webchick-scribe: is there an action plan to change that?
 11:55:39 AM webchick-scribe: Cary > 
 11:55:41 AM nearlythere: CSPAN for DA!
 11:55:49 AM webchick-scribe: We have an entire governance plan oriented toward changing that
 11:55:54 AM davereid: DAPAN++
 11:56:00 AM webchick-scribe: in terms of immediate action plan, we'e been loiving under our by-laws
 11:56:09 AM webchick-scribe: if you read our by-laws they're not as persciprive as they might be
 11:56:20 AM webchick-scribe: in an effort to do the things that the by-laws said, we did not release a lot of information
 11:56:28 AM wundo: nearlythere:  what is CSPAN?
 11:56:28 AM webchick-scribe: I was under the impression that the by-laws forbade us to release a lot of information
 11:56:34 AM webchick-scribe: we're not going to do that anymore
 11:56:41 AM webchick-scribe: we're going to release the info that needs to be released
 11:56:51 AM webchick-scribe: make rules, revise by-laws, make this a community organizatin
 11:56:54 AM webchick-scribe: what seems to be lost in all this
 11:56:58 AM nearlythere: wundo: in the US, they have a live feed of house of reps and senate discussions
 11:56:59 AM jlmeredith: QUESTION: forbidden by whom?
 11:57:07 AM webchick-scribe: is the whoel reason for existence for all of these orgs is to support the community
 11:57:12 AM webchick-scribe: in its support of drupal
 11:57:14 AM nearlythere: wundo: also press conferences, sub comittees  all on free TV. 
 11:57:22 AM webchick-scribe: it's easy to get bound up in rules/laws
 11:57:24 AM wundo: nearlythere: ooh, we have that in Brazil too
 11:57:25 AM webchick-scribe: regulations
 11:57:27 AM webchick-scribe: and miss the point
 11:57:30 AM webchick-scribe: we don't want to miss the point
 11:57:33 AM webchick-scribe: we've been focused on drupalcon
 11:57:40 AM webchick-scribe: we want to focus on other ways of supporting the communit
 11:57:41 AM wundo: but I don't know if that has fancy acronym 
 11:57:43 AM webchick-scribe: but dn't want to get buried
 11:57:53 AM webchick-scribe: we want to be open. we do want to get our minutes and everything out there.
 11:57:55 AM webchick-scribe: we're moving on it.
 11:57:56 AM jlmeredith: Is there a specific person that is tasked with communication moving forward
 11:57:56 AM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
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 11:58:10 AM webchick-scribe: I've been with the assoication for a long time.
 11:58:12 AM webchick-scribe: first voted in on 20078
 11:58:12 AM wundo: davereid: I'm guessing DAPAN is something similar to CSPAN, right?
 11:58:15 AM nearlythere: wundo: yeah! we have it in ireland too - called "Oireachtas Report" shows on late night TV. actually quite fascinating. 
 11:58:15 AM webchick-scribe: 2007*
 11:58:26 AM webchick-scribe: mid-last year, was hired/paid as managing director
 11:58:30 AM davereid: wundo: Drupal Association Public Access Network 
 11:58:40 AM webchick-scribe: i had that position becuse i was working on structure things
 11:58:46 AM webchick-scribe: there are political boundaiees in governments
 11:58:54 AM webchick-scribe: if you don't file, they'll take your money
 11:59:01 AM webchick-scribe: worked hard to make sure we paid as little taxes as possible
 11:59:02 AM jlmeredith: folks .. can we keep the joking to minimum here
 11:59:14 AM webchick-scribe: discovered that our governance struycture wasn't necessarily resrtrictive
 11:59:17 AM jlmeredith: we need to reserve this for serious questions and comments
 11:59:20 AM webchick-scribe: but obtuse and hard to undersranf
 11:59:22 AM webchick-scribe: read kieran's post
 11:59:28 AM webchick-scribe: in fall of last year we started working on a lot of this
 11:59:40 AM webchick-scribe: got a consultant in to look at thiungs like term lengths, meting minutes, etc.
 11:59:48 AM webchick-scribe: keep in mind that board members, when we started out, were developers.
 11:59:56 AM webchick-scribe: Me, Angie, Dries… none of us were "board members"
 12:00:00 PM webchick-scribe: there isn't a board member class in college
 12:00:10 PM webchick-scribe: one of our issues of meeting minutes is they weren't meeting minutes
 12:00:12 PM webchick-scribe: they were transcripts of IRC logs
 12:00:19 PM webchick-scribe: so we had to learn how to do meeting minutes correctly
 12:00:22 PM webchick-scribe: so we started that process earlier in the year
 12:00:32 PM webchick-scribe: then started the process of getting the minutes into digestible format
 12:00:35 PM webchick-scribe: that started earlier this year
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 12:00:52 PM webchick-scribe: it took awhile, through thge summer, to understand the process of creating the inuts, voting on the next meeting, and then approving them to be sent out
 12:00:59 PM webchick-scribe: this is all education that needs to be set out.
 12:01:04 PM webchick-scribe: "Forbidden by whom?"
 12:01:10 PM webchick-scribe: Not forbidden by whom, forbidden by the structure.
 12:01:23 PM webchick-scribe: Adn forbidden by lack of experience
 12:01:24 PM webchick-scribe: Jamie>
 12:01:34 PM webchick-scribe: Clarifying. There was a period when you were forbidden to speak about things that were being discussed.
 12:01:36 PM webchick-scribe: Cary >
 12:01:43 PM webchick-scribe: What jacob just said is exactly what was happening
 12:01:52 PM webchick-scribe: the way we were interpreting the bylaws from Belgium was very restrictive
 12:02:05 PM webchick-scribe: Those interpretation were what guideded us at this point
 12:02:06 PM webchick-scribe: Jamie>
 12:02:13 PM webchick-scribe: So there was a legal reason to hold things close to the chest
 12:02:15 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:02:25 PM webchick-scribe: Yes, that's how ourt bylaws were being interpreated by Belgian attournesy
 12:02:28 PM webchick-scribe: Jamie>
 12:02:32 PM webchick-scribe: And those are being changed by the new GC?
 12:02:33 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:02:39 PM webchick-scribe: Changed by a number of things.
 12:02:47 PM webchick-scribe: once our ED unbried himself from taxes
 12:02:52 PM webchick-scribe: he was able to focus on these other thigns
 12:03:03 PM webchick-scribe: So having Jacob as ED allows us to even have this conversation
 12:03:11 PM webchick-scribe: I think that's really what made the difference.
 12:03:17 PM webchick-scribe: We were all working par-ttime to get things done
 12:03:21 PM webchick-scribe: This is a board that just worked toget things done
 12:03:28 PM webchick-scribe: We were kindof  stuck in the area of laws, attorneys, etc.
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 12:03:36 PM webchick-scribe: and Dies having to go over to the attorney's office in belgium
 12:03:41 PM webchick-scribe: our banking/legal stuff was really, really difficultr
 12:03:44 PM webchick-scribe: Jamie>
 12:03:54 PM webchick-scribe: Thanks very much Cary. Want to reiterate that I don't have any ill-feelings toward anyone on board
 12:04:05 PM webchick-scribe: lots of lots of admiration. and do appreciate your candor and being open about answering some of these questions
 12:04:14 PM webchick-scribe: maybe in hindsight they don't mean a lot nnow, but helps to understand the context
 12:04:18 PM webchick-scribe: and the struggles 
 12:04:19 PM webchick-scribe: thank you
 12:04:27 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:04:29 PM webchick-scribe: One other thing
 12:04:34 PM webchick-scribe: It's *really* great to have a townhall meeting
 12:04:38 PM webchick-scribe: wjhere there is actually people in the town
 12:04:44 PM webchick-scribe: which we haven't managed to do at other townhal meetings
 12:04:51 PM webchick-scribe: they've been sparseley atrended
 12:04:55 PM webchick-scribe: nice to see engaged, interested people
 12:05:00 PM webchick-scribe: so that's a formal thank you to alex, eh? 
 12:05:09 PM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 12:05:15 PM webchick-scribe: I ran the other two townhall meetings.
 12:05:19 PM webchick-scribe: not as well attended as this one
 12:05:23 PM webchick-scribe: but not a formal thank you to alex
 12:05:32 PM webchick-scribe: alex has been aware of these things, and took it to an extreme and involved lawyer
 12:05:37 PM webchick-scribe: it complicated the process and drew it out
 12:05:44 PM webchick-scribe: Ok, so other question
 12:05:55 PM webchick-scribe: Continuing on governance..
 12:06:01 PM webchick-scribe: Is ther a code of ethics board members must subscribe to?
 12:06:04 PM OhNoYouDi-int: this is alex: I involved a lawyer? news to me...
 12:06:07 PM webchick-scribe: If so, is it public/where can it be found?
 12:06:21 PM amye: s/lawyer/layer 
 12:06:22 PM webchick-scribe: No, this is a great suggestion and one of the many areas we could do better so we can build trust in our community
 12:06:41 PM webchick-scribe: Howeever, during last several years of the DA, we've been governed by the statutes of the DA
 12:06:45 PM webchick-scribe: not necessarily a code of ethics
 12:07:05 PM webchick-scribe: Other questions I have are all around organizing Drupalcon
 12:07:07 PM webchick-scribe: Which I find interesting
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 12:07:16 PM webchick-scribe: That involves most of my day-to-day for past 7-8 months
 12:07:23 PM webchick-scribe: when we hired our events manager who's now taken over the majority of this
 12:07:31 PM webchick-scribe: lots of questions around vendors, how do we select a location, etc.
 12:07:35 PM webchick-scribe: Before we move onto that
 12:07:37 PM nearlythere: I'm glad I have attended, and glad the community turned up for the crisis. I observe the sense that this has arisen due to well meaning, busy people- possibly incompetent, but certainly admitting that they want to do better. 
 12:07:40 PM webchick-scribe: more vgfovernance questions?
 12:07:52 PM nearlythere: How bad is the situation?
 12:08:00 PM nearlythere: Can you talk about it? Can it be contained?
 12:08:16 PM webchick-scribe: Heather>
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 12:08:33 PM webchick-scribe: Just wanted to speak that I am glad that there's a lot of people showing u[p for what is essentially an internal crisis
 12:08:48 PM webchick-scribe: i ghope that it can be ontained, and I hope for all of our wanting things to be transprent that things are going to be handled privately
 12:08:52 PM webchick-scribe: because I don't want it hurting the communty
 12:08:58 PM webchick-scribe: other open source orgs are looking at this as well
 12:09:04 PM webchick-scribe: we're aiuring our dirty laundry here
 12:09:09 PM webchick-scribe: and was wondering if you could speak sa to how bad it is
 12:09:11 PM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 12:09:12 PM webchick-scribe: I can speak to that
 12:09:17 PM webchick-scribe: I've been invoilved in a lot of thois
 12:09:27 PM webchick-scribe: the GC, the thread on gdo, talked to alex
 12:09:33 PM webchick-scribe: the short answer is, I don't think there is a crisis
 12:09:34 PM webchick-scribe: I honestly don't.
 12:09:41 PM webchick-scribe: we've involved legal counsel in how we work internationally
 12:09:51 PM webchick-scribe: we knew there were some governance things we had to solve
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 12:09:55 PM webchick-scribe: we're working on solving them
 12:09:58 PM webchick-scribe: we have a COi committee
 12:10:06 PM webchick-scribe: we've made changes to how we do DrupalCons
 12:10:14 PM webchick-scribe: we 've made changes to board, we've made changes to venbor slection
 12:10:18 PM webchick-scribe: we've mnade these changes without talking about them
 12:10:21 PM webchick-scribe: our crisis is that of communication
 12:10:24 PM webchick-scribe: i don't see a legal sitiation
 12:10:27 PM nearlythere: That is a relief! Glad to hear. Thanks, and I hope I've merely said what others were wondering. 
 12:10:33 PM webchick-scribe: I say that having talked to our counsel and having discussed this at length
 12:10:48 PM webchick-scribe: this is part of it. "Yeah, we coudl've communicated better. here's a town hall meeting. we're not hiding anything. let's talk about it in the open"
 12:10:55 PM webchick-scribe: The issues on gdo have been discusssed at length
 12:11:01 PM webchick-scribe: they've been discussed in front of counbcil
 12:11:10 PM webchick-scribe: we are ok. we have some thing to work on, and there is a plan of action that is in process
 12:11:12 PM webchick-scribe: Heather>
 12:11:19 PM webchick-scribe: That's very good. Feel better now.
 12:11:24 PM webchick-scribe: There's always a crisis right before DrupalCOn"
 12:11:31 PM nearlythere: lol
 12:11:42 PM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 12:11:45 PM webchick-scribe: Ok i do have a number of question
 12:11:46 PM nearlythere: remember the markup issue right before paris 2009?
 12:12:20 PM webchick-scribe: (check in about time
 12:12:29 PM webchick-scribe: Other governance questoins?
 12:12:31 PM webchick-scribe: Jamie>
 12:12:35 PM webchick-scribe: One last question, then have to sign off as well
 12:12:50 PM webchick-scribe: Curious to know if DA has considered, or if there's been any discussion, on distributing responsibility/oversight to more granular level
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 12:13:00 PM webchick-scribe: i know with new policiries going into place, something along the lines of charters
 12:13:07 PM highermath: are there actually folks at the meeting in person?
 12:13:19 PM webchick-scribe: for geographic regions, adn then set up kidn of an under … something like the Girl Scounts orgniation
 12:13:33 PM webchick-scribe: Something that gived everyone a voice instea dof very close-to-the-center governance that's happened so far
 12:13:34 PM webchick-scribe: cary>
 12:13:35 PM nearlythere: ah, the comments about the "americanization"?
 12:13:41 PM webchick-scribe: This is something that's come up in discussions in the past
 12:13:50 PM webchick-scribe: we've never really had an opportunity tod iscuss it 
 12:13:56 PM webchick-scribe: this gc change has broughtn it up again
 12:14:03 PM webchick-scribe: the new board will liekly want to take it up in some form or fashion
 12:14:06 PM webchick-scribe: but not on the table right niw
 12:14:13 PM ultimike: I have a question about guidelines about what can be made public.
 12:14:36 PM webchick-scribe: Mike >
 12:14:44 PM webchick-scribe: I know cary touched on this and jamie touched on this
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 12:14:56 PM webchick-scribe: are there current guidelines or plans of future guidelines about what can / cannot be made public?
 12:15:08 PM webchick-scribe: Obviously there's privacy issues about spreadsheet with peoples' email addresses
 12:15:16 PM webchick-scribe: but are there guidelines fo what to put out/ what not to upt out/
 12:15:18 PM webchick-scribe: Jacob?
 12:15:20 PM webchick-scribe: jacob>
 12:15:23 PM webchick-scribe: Internally, about staff.
 12:15:28 PM webchick-scribe: Is there a guideline with a URL? no.
 12:15:37 PM webchick-scribe: THere is one in our intranet, which will kind of answer that qquestion.
 12:15:42 PM webchick-scribe: we have an intranet, we use OA, it's quasi-private
 12:15:50 PM webchick-scribe: thre's a staff group, a drupalcon group
 12:15:55 PM webchick-scribe: if you volunteer, you're probably going to be in one of those groups
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 12:16:11 PM webchick-scribe: there are questions about how to handle private info, email addresses, etc.
 12:16:15 PM webchick-scribe: we take privacy extremely seriously.
 12:16:25 PM webchick-scribe: i think what you have here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is the board level?
 12:16:30 PM webchick-scribe: email lists, meeting minutes?
 12:16:32 PM webchick-scribe: Mike>
 12:16:36 PM webchick-scribe: Yeah, it seems like al the controversy
 12:16:44 PM webchick-scribe: is cos a lot of the work the DA does is held close to the vest
 12:17:11 PM webchick-scribe: Are there guidelines? I want to see stuff about DrupalCon CPH.. anything stopping a board member from doing that?
 12:17:13 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:17:22 PM webchick-scribe: Hopefully we won't be rring at all. we want to make everthing we possibly can available
 12:17:40 PM webchick-scribe: mostly this is a matter of time ti tkes to go throyugh and put things up
 12:17:43 PM webchick-scribe: everything we do shoud be public
 12:17:49 PM webchick-scribe: our decision making process should be public
 12:17:56 PM webchick-scribe: only thing that shouljdn't are thngs that involve peoples' privacy
 12:18:04 PM webchick-scribe: things that apply to emloyees (salaryies, etc.)
 12:18:12 PM webchick-scribe: in general, you shouodn't have to ask. you should be able to get the stuff youwa nt.
 12:18:15 PM webchick-scribe: we should have some procedure
 12:18:21 PM webchick-scribe: but in general the things you're talking about should be there
 12:18:23 PM webchick-scribe: Mike>
 12:18:29 PM webchick-scribe: Ok, sounds like a lot of it is based on common sense
 12:18:42 PM webchick-scribe: Looking for a procedure in place to make sure things automatically put the information out there
 12:18:46 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:18:53 PM webchick-scribe: One of the big pronblems is finding the cycles to get everything done
 12:18:59 PM webchick-scribe: We need to do whatver we have to do to make that happen
 12:19:10 PM webchick-scribe: We probably need (this board or next one) will need to set a timeline
 12:19:16 PM webchick-scribe: 2 days after Drupalcon or 6 monts after
 12:19:21 PM beeradb: Obviously hindsight is 20/20, and no one would argue that alex handled the situation well, but it sounds like the current discussions on gdo have been happening between alex and the DA for quite some time. It seems like a lot of this could have been at least partially mitigated by the DA publicly addressing the issue earlier. Is the DA looking into a more public process to handle concerns from the community before posts th
 12:19:22 PM webchick-scribe: we should hae those numbers up
 12:19:31 PM webchick-scribe: but right now a very small staff and a small group of folks who do this stuff
 12:19:36 PM webchick-scribe:  we need to make sure that we're efficient in doing it
 12:19:43 PM webchick-scribe: i think if we move to a new structure, where we have more people actuvely doing stuff
 12:19:46 PM webchick-scribe: on committees
 12:19:48 PM webchick-scribe: that will certainly help
 12:19:53 PM webchick-scribe: jacob>
 12:20:14 PM webchick-scribe: Stepping into role of board member?
 12:20:19 PM webchick-scribe: I'm a big open source advocate
 12:20:25 PM webchick-scribe: Passionate about it, I believe lots of things need to be open
 12:20:30 PM webchick-scribe: with that said, there are things in my role I will not release.
 12:20:36 PM webchick-scribe: contracts between vendors and the DA will not be released
 12:20:41 PM webchick-scribe: specific hourly rates will not be released
 12:20:47 PM webchick-scribe: we're open to them being audited, but not released
 12:20:54 PM webchick-scribe: this is spefically to protect vendors' privacy
 12:20:58 PM webchick-scribe: they often give us below0-market rates
 12:21:00 PM highermath: we should write this down
 12:21:05 PM webchick-scribe: bit they don't want that to be public on the internet
 12:21:07 PM skyred: Google's CEO, Eric Schmidt: "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place"
 12:21:07 PM webchick-scribe: for *their* clients to review
 12:21:21 PM webchick-scribe: also having contracts public endangers signing future contracts
 12:21:23 PM ultimike: highermath: Agreed. What Jacob saying is now should be documented and posted.
 12:21:25 PM webchick-scribe: this has bit us in the butt
 12:21:30 PM webchick-scribe: in DC we signed contract with DC convention center
 12:21:33 PM webchick-scribe: to hold conference there
 12:21:40 PM webchick-scribe: and within days, the hotels around that conference center raised their rates
 12:21:40 PM Christian_X: Committees, particularly those comprised of general members, make vendor selection and COI issues tend to disappear.
 12:21:47 PM webchick-scribe: we had not negitaated before hand for those rates
 12:21:49 PM webchick-scribe: so it's interesting
 12:22:05 PM webchick-scribe: there's certain things we're not going to hold close to the chest, ubut protect privacy of vendors
 12:22:09 PM webchick-scribe: but we *do* put out budget
 12:22:16 PM webchick-scribe: how mnuch we spent on website, t-=shirts, lanyard, badges.
 12:22:26 PM webchick-scribe: To address brad's question
 12:22:38 PM webchick-scribe: Alex didn't handle thigns well, I agree. We didn't either.
 12:22:48 PM webchick-scribe: He was hard set on having contracts, and we didn't give them to him
 12:23:00 PM webchick-scribe: we could've been more upfront that conversations were happening
 12:23:11 PM webchick-scribe: but want to be clear that we took these concerns extremely seriously, defereed to lawyers
 12:23:17 PM webchick-scribe: I don't think alex handled this well at all
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 12:23:25 PM webchick-scribe: it might've served to accelerate things that were alreadty in progress
 12:23:36 PM YesThatAlex: can that be put to rest? I handled this horribly
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 12:23:37 PM webchick-scribe: but this was something that was a hard conflict between alex and I. he wanted something I don't think should be public
 12:23:39 PM webchick-scribe: the mailing list
 12:23:49 PM webchick-scribe: When I joined that list, I believed that that was a private list, between emmbers of that list.
 12:24:00 PM webchick-scribe: It's not public, it's moderated, and you need to be approved on that list.
 12:24:11 PM nearlythere: I'm curious about the process of nominations re: the time commitment. I assume that whatever company nominees work for has to fund their time, or is it expected to come out of free time? I know many Drupalists work 50-60 minimum. How many hours per week are expected?
 12:24:20 PM webchick-scribe: Ptivate. So sometimes I express opinions there, that I'm not comfortable expressing publclt, just to throw it out there.
 12:24:22 PM YesThatAlex: no argument from me- I was warned (by myself amongst others) for a DCoC violation, and will be banished if it happens again
 12:24:30 PM webchick-scribe: Alex did not respect this boudnary. He leaked emails. This broke trust.
 12:24:44 PM webchick-scribe: So those are the kinds of things that would remain private in the future, Michael.
 12:24:48 PM webchick-scribe: And done with this topic.
 12:25:17 PM webchick-scribe: One question about nominations
 12:25:20 PM webchick-scribe: Heather > 
 12:25:22 PM YesThatAlex: fyi: I didn't have access to those e-mails, they were leaked to me (accept for 1), not by me
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 12:25:47 PM webchick-scribe: People can nominate themselves, and trying to determine the time committement
 12:25:49 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:25:56 PM webchick-scribe: Recommending 15-20 hours a month
 12:26:00 PM webchick-scribe: That's a fair representation
 12:26:15 PM webchick-scribe: depending on activity
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 12:26:22 PM webchick-scribe: you can't nominate someone else. you nominate yourself.
 12:26:28 PM webchick-scribe: you can recommend soeone else nominate themselves.
 12:26:32 PM webchick-scribe: we don't contact youyr employer. that's on you.
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 12:26:36 PM webchick-scribe: Jacob >
 12:26:52 PM webchick-scribe: (checking on time limits at OSU)
 12:27:01 PM Christian_X: isn't that volunteering, rather than nominting?
 12:27:05 PM highermath: some of us have time limits
 12:27:05 PM skyred: jredding, Nominations for Directors of the Drupal Association has the preference over Geographic diversity,  does the nomination also have the preference over age and gender diversity?
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 12:27:28 PM webchick-scribe: Reading skyred's question
 12:27:37 PM skyred: skyred, no
 12:27:38 PM skyred: no
 12:27:44 PM skyred: lol
 12:27:54 PM highermath: hand
 12:27:58 PM skyred: Do you  want diversity over gender and age
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 12:28:14 PM webchick-scribe: I would have to defer that question to the nominations committee.
 12:28:20 PM webchick-scribe: I honestly can't answer that,.
 12:28:24 PM Amazon: hand...
 12:28:38 PM webchick-scribe: except to say that I know it was set up to create a diverse board across the board: age, talent, skillset, geography...
 12:28:39 PM webchick-scribe: Kieran
 12:28:41 PM webchick-scribe: >
 12:28:52 PM jredding: Amazon: you have the floor
 12:29:02 PM webchick-scribe: (also, I need to go in about 2 minuets, if someone could kindly take over scribing)
 12:29:12 PM Amazon: I want to address nominations and board responsibilities.
 12:29:12 PM webchick-scribe: Cary>
 12:29:26 PM webchick-scribe: Not on the nominating committee, but charge of nominating committee was to make sure the board represented the diversity of community
 12:29:52 PM Amazon: This is a multi-million dollar organization with serious operations and it needs a board with highly skilled board members
 12:29:55 PM webchick-scribe: we'd obviously need to have a HUGE boad to accurately represent, but … the responsibility of the board is to represent everyone and the communty.
 12:30:12 PM webchick-scribe: imight not have anyone on on board from bangladesh, but they should be taken into consideration.
 12:30:14 PM Amazon: The board is not a representative of the Drupal project. It doesn't control the drupal project.
 12:30:33 PM Amazon: It takes care of the plumbing for the Drupal project. 
 12:30:34 PM webchick-scribe: Jacob>
 12:30:37 PM webchick-scribe: That's important to understand
 12:30:47 PM webchick-scribe: By charter and madnate, we don't hire people to work on Drupal itself.
 12:30:48 PM Amazon: People get confused by that and it leads to a mismatch in expecations.
 12:30:54 PM webchick-scribe: we don't set timetables of release, we don't pay people.
 12:30:58 PM webchick-scribe: we don't even control what's on d.o itself.
 12:31:03 PM webchick-scribe: this is a community space
 12:31:09 PM webchick-scribe: we're just here to make sure that that space always exist.
 12:31:21 PM webchick-scribe: So we work with people likem the great people at oSUOSL to make sure the servers stay up
 12:31:26 PM webchick-scribe: we want to stay out of your hair
 12:31:31 PM webchick-scribe: and mkae sure you're well supported
 12:31:41 PM webchick-scribe: (Sorry, gotta go. )
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 12:31:58 PM Amazon: Do i have the floor now?
 12:32:02 PM ultimike: Amazon: that's a subtle but important distinction. Thanks for that.
 12:32:05 PM michaelemeyers: same here - thanks everyone ttyl
 12:32:12 PM highermath: it woudl be great if we could get to dc before I have to go (now really)
 12:32:19 PM jredding: Amazon: yes kieran you have the floor
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 12:33:00 PM Amazon: So I want to say that if you run for the board, or you want to promote someone to the board. They need to be interested in the strategy of the plumbing: accounting, budgets, operations, policy, legal.
 12:33:18 PM Amazon: If you want to be a leader in the drupal project, you should look elsewhere or you are going to find yourself very frustrated.
 12:33:37 PM Amazon: done.
 12:33:57 PM Christian_X: Q: Are these distinctions and differences made clear on the site(s)?  Would that help avoid problems down the road?  Mission statement and responsibilities of DA?
 12:34:33 PM mrconnerton: (someone has piano music in the call background fyi)
 12:34:36 PM Amazon: We have required candiates to certify they read and will comply with statues.
 12:34:41 PM jredding: Christian_X: Yes, http://association.drupal.org/about
 12:35:06 PM skyred: jredding, If a community doesn't have enough skilled Drupal developers, for example, China, any other possibility/reasons for the community to apply for the DrupalCon
 12:35:50 PM mrconnerton: I can attempt if you don't mind spelling issues 
 12:36:17 PM mrconnerton: Jacob>
 12:36:23 PM jredding: Does the Drupal Association have a formal, defined purpose for organizing Drupalcon?
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 12:36:41 PM mrconnerton: First of I dont know if people have read my email
 12:36:49 PM mrconnerton: The DA has never organised a drupal con
 12:37:03 PM mrconnerton: They work with the local community or company to have drupal con run
 12:37:12 PM mrconnerton: they have a vested interest, but don't organize it
 12:37:31 PM mrconnerton: Why does the DA care about haveing one and why does it move?
 12:37:47 PM mrconnerton: Why do we bounce from country/city to country/city....
 12:38:11 PM highermath: you missed Barcelona
 12:38:24 PM mrconnerton: The DA believes the purpose to orgnise it two fold
 12:38:29 PM mrconnerton: 1) place for the community to get together
 12:38:33 PM mrconnerton: to meet in person, connect, network
 12:38:38 PM mrconnerton: to see the people behind the keyboard and name live
 12:38:49 PM mrconnerton: face to face. I believe that is a really big peiece for a large community growing
 12:38:50 PM mrconnerton: its big
 12:38:57 PM mrconnerton: Along with that:
 12:39:02 PM mrconnerton: Code sprints that happen
 12:39:10 PM mrconnerton: Most of the sessions are educational sessions
 12:39:20 PM mrconnerton: If you read the drupal con inc, it is designed as a educational non profit
 12:39:34 PM mrconnerton: We are here to educate the world on Drupal. We want you to come, connect, learn
 12:39:42 PM mrconnerton: you come back as a stronger developer and a stronger community
 12:39:47 PM mrconnerton: 2) we move it around for a reason
 12:40:02 PM mrconnerton: It's too easy.
 12:40:07 PM mrconnerton: The reason is, we want the conference to reach more people
 12:40:23 PM mrconnerton: This is why we go from north America to Europe 
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 12:40:39 PM mrconnerton: When there is a conference there, it grows the community in that area
 12:40:43 PM mrconnerton: user groups grow, etc
 12:40:46 PM mrconnerton: 1) get together
 12:40:48 PM mrconnerton: 2) grow
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 12:41:29 PM amye: hand 
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 12:41:50 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> hand in irc
 12:42:11 PM mrconnerton: Amy> will be expanding drupal con to further than north america and Europe 
 12:42:19 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> We want to if it's within our means
 12:43:15 PM jredding: Does the Drupal Association have a defined, official purpose for Drupalcon events outside the information supplied to potential sponsors in emails?
 12:43:15 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> next question here: 
 12:43:32 PM mrconnerton: the DA wants to see events happens
 12:43:38 PM mrconnerton: they are trying to facilitate any way they can
 12:43:49 PM mrconnerton: in the past they work with local companies or communities to run conferences
 12:44:08 PM mrconnerton: we encourage drupal con inc to fiscol sponsorships for the camps so they can grow and get the support that they need
 12:44:21 PM mrconnerton: the offical purpose of the event is to educate people and grow the community
 12:44:28 PM mrconnerton: Questions on that?
 12:44:48 PM mrconnerton: If you have questions online or in IRC please post them here
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 12:45:14 PM mrconnerton: Do we have more questions or are we winding this down
 12:45:19 PM mrconnerton: We are hear to awnser your questions
 12:45:31 PM mrconnerton: here, answer
 12:45:49 PM mrconnerton: someone else > When we get to the end of this I want to ask a question about ....
 12:45:52 PM mrconnerton: Randy>
 12:46:07 PM mrconnerton: We are listening.
 12:46:23 PM mrconnerton: I do want to return to my post on the town hall past which I don't think has been addressed
 12:46:30 PM mrconnerton: two questions we can have at the end
 12:46:36 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> I will pull those up
 12:46:40 PM mrconnerton: and look through them
 12:46:50 PM mrconnerton: Randy> If you are ready I have two questions
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 12:47:27 PM mrconnerton: (more questions being asked that we might go over)
 12:47:50 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> If your interesetd in haveing more questions asked on D.con please speak up now
 12:47:55 PM kathysd: interested in how cities are selected
 12:48:14 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> city selection is an interseted one
 12:48:19 PM mrconnerton: its a community ran processes
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 12:48:31 PM mrconnerton: Cary started the process a while back
 12:48:38 PM beeradb: I'm interested in the last one, as it pertains to the separation between the DA and Drupalcon Inc, which I don't fully understand.
 12:48:43 PM mrconnerton: when he saw we needed to have cities further out
 12:48:54 PM mrconnerton: There is the north america organiser group
 12:49:00 PM mrconnerton: and the european group
 12:49:16 PM mrconnerton: the short: we get a bunch of people in the community, do some surveys and provide and recoommondation
 12:49:33 PM mrconnerton: They look at different resources and make a recommndation to teh board
 12:49:36 PM mrconnerton: and the board votes
 12:49:49 PM mrconnerton: We look at a bunch of different questions
 12:50:15 PM kathysd: thanks
 12:50:18 PM mrconnerton: I would be fine to go into more details but its basically a community process
 12:50:28 PM Christian_X: Do you poll the general membership re: candidate cities?
 12:50:46 PM mrconnerton: the short real anwser: no
 12:50:59 PM mrconnerton: hard anwser. this is not because we didn't want to its because we didn't have the time
 12:51:11 PM mrconnerton: we ran a survey, but we didn't have a newsletter built up, etc
 12:51:20 PM mrconnerton: this year we do have better resources and now we CAN do that
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 12:51:34 PM mrconnerton: We have already gone through 2013 but we are looking to 2014
 12:51:42 PM psuway: That's me if you have any particular questions about membership!
 12:51:42 PM mrconnerton: (who is this?)
 12:51:50 PM beeradb: Cary
 12:51:54 PM jredding: highermath: Cary Gordon
 12:52:47 PM mrconnerton: (sorry) Cary can post his thoughts here
 12:52:52 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> We are running low on time
 12:52:56 PM mrconnerton: I do want to get back to randy
 12:53:13 PM mrconnerton: A question about "as it pertains to the separation between the DA and Drupalcon Inc, which I don't fully understand."
 12:53:17 PM mrconnerton: I'm going to refer you to my blog post
 12:53:34 PM mrconnerton: If you have questions on that after you have read it, feel free to ask. 
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 12:53:45 PM beeradb: Sounds good. I'll read that. Thanks for addressing it. It's about 4:00am in Shanghai, so I haven't had time to read it yet 
 12:54:08 PM mrconnerton: Ok, i do want to make it very clear about the distinction and that is why I spent time on the post
 12:54:18 PM mrconnerton: So randy made a post on the townhall
 12:54:28 PM mrconnerton: Also suggested some ways to work with the post out on g.d.o
 12:54:35 PM mrconnerton: Randy you want to take that and discuss it?
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 12:55:12 PM mrconnerton: Randy> my first question is, I expect the only post on the town hall post. The three things I asked: I don't have web access but you have it in front of you
 12:55:46 PM mrconnerton: Randy> responsiveness: there was no response to my post
 12:56:15 PM mrconnerton: The simple way is if your going to write a post that deals directly with something, just awnsering my post would be a good way to start. in other words, we posted today, here is the awnser
 12:56:21 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> yes we can do that. 
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 12:56:38 PM mrconnerton: We have been talking email privatly and I sent you an email and responsoded, but I agree we can publicly repsond
 12:56:50 PM mrconnerton: Randy> the whole porpuse was that it was a public conversations
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 12:57:19 PM mrconnerton: The DA needs to put on the list to look at how to improve responsiveness. This is a case in point, seems like a week of requesting, there wasn't an awnser to teh post and there needs to be.
 12:57:35 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> we talked on the phone about this and I agree with you, communicating is important
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 12:57:48 PM mrconnerton: however, Alex had a serious issue and we had our lawyers involed
 12:58:17 PM mrconnerton: The first reponse was within hours, and the second was in 72, I had to talk to my lawyer to do everything we were doing to protect our resources and community
 12:58:25 PM mrconnerton: Randy> I don't htink I have had a public response
 12:58:29 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> you are right
 12:58:54 PM mrconnerton: Randy> Public responsive ness is part of the open ness thing. put that on the todo list
 12:59:13 PM mrconnerton: I would have thought todays town meeting would have been better served with dealing with the difficult g.do trhead
 12:59:19 PM mrconnerton: summerizing that and responding would have been a great thing
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 12:59:37 PM mrconnerton: and what it means to the DA and how it has been handled, etc
 12:59:53 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> that is great feedback and hopefully it doesn't come up again
 1:00:06 PM mrconnerton: Randy> I probably will I guess, things like this happen. 
 1:00:20 PM mrconnerton: (broke up a little on the phone)
 1:00:26 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> we are 3 minutes to 12pm
 1:00:34 PM mrconnerton: I am avalible, this is a town hall meeting for you guys
 1:00:37 PM mrconnerton: feel free to bring them up now
 1:00:40 PM mrconnerton: they can be on any topic
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 1:01:43 PM mrconnerton: Everet: any policies for accessability for their internal or external or related to vendors they contract, about a drupal con or development on d.o
 1:01:57 PM mrconnerton: Insuring that facilities that are accessible 
 1:02:12 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> we insure that drupal con is accessable to all. 
 1:02:32 PM mrconnerton: we get translators, etc.
 1:02:43 PM mrconnerton: WE try to do our best to make sure everything is accessable
 1:03:08 PM mrconnerton: Everet: As far as the website, etc, is there a policy that could make RPF require accessibiltiy
 1:03:20 PM mrconnerton: Jacob> I'm not aware, I can' speak directly to taht
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 1:03:49 PM mrconnerton: Are there any additional questions?
 1:04:06 PM Christian_X: Suggestion?
 1:04:13 PM mrconnerton: alright its 1pm here
 1:04:24 PM mrconnerton: Do you want to state your suggestion?
 1:04:39 PM jredding: Christian_X: Suggestions are welcome
 1:05:05 PM mrconnerton: I will give Christian_X a minute to take the floor
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 1:05:20 PM mrconnerton: (confusion on the mic)
 1:05:40 PM Christian_X: Separate the contributor sponsorships from the paid.  Will wliminate arguments as to their street value.
 1:05:45 PM nearlythere: LOL.
 1:05:50 PM mrconnerton: I think somebody doesn't have their mic muted
 1:05:56 PM mrconnerton: there is a good suggestion. 
 1:06:01 PM mrconnerton: That was already changed
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 1:06:05 PM nearlythere: Thanks for the meeting, I have to check out. But glad I came!
 1:06:09 PM Christian_X: Ok.
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 1:06:21 PM mrconnerton: if your really intersetd in drupal con, I did a really long post about it this morning, but its a great suggestion. It was taken and we did separate those out
 1:06:32 PM mrconnerton: (someones mic still not muted)
 1:06:40 PM mrconnerton: Its 1pm, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time
 1:06:47 PM Christian_X: I'm interested in Drupal's growth.  Never touch the stuff myself.
 1:06:58 PM mrconnerton: Its twice our nomal size, its good for the community, thank you
 1:07:10 PM mrconnerton: this is really great. if you have questions there is a contact form on the DA website
 1:07:25 PM mrconnerton: A commity is meeting to help submit these issues
 1:07:31 PM mrconnerton: We are encouraged that we have a strong community
 1:07:44 PM mrconnerton: See you next drupal con in london or catch you in irc or next town hall meeting. 
 1:07:46 PM mrconnerton: (call ends)
 1:07:50 PM Christian_X: You do... and a passionate one.  I'm impressed.
 1:07:53 PM Element31: Thanks, guys.
 1:07:54 PM beeradb: we should have a live town hall meeting in London 
 1:08:03 PM ultimike: Thanks, Jacob!
 1:08:05 PM jredding: If someone has the backlog could they email it to me, please. 
 1:08:09 PM jredding: beeradb: There is. 
 1:08:17 PM beeradb: jredding: oh? did I miss an announcement?
 1:08:20 PM mrconnerton: Feel free to spell check it 
 1:08:23 PM jredding: beeradb: it is on the session schedule. 
 1:08:31 PM jredding: Hasn't been announced yet but we could do that. 
 1:08:54 PM googletorp: Will the log on IRC  be posted somewhere?
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 1:10:01 PM psuway: googletorp: IRC transcript will be posted along with the mp3 of the call on association.drupal.org soon. we'll post on twitter @drupalassoc when it goes up
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 1:31:11 PM timplunkett: i missed this because of capitalcamp, is a transcript going to be posted?
 1:32:11 PM psuway: timplunkett: IRC transcript will be posted along with the mp3 of the call on association.drupal.org soon. we'll post on twitter @drupalassoc when it goes up
 1:32:31 PM timplunkett: psuway: great, thanks
 1:32:44 PM ashedryden: psuway: thanks! missed a lot of this because of drupalcampwi :}
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 1:33:37 PM timplunkett: drupal camps++
 1:34:29 PM ashedryden: \o/
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