2012-09-28 DA Town Hall

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11:04:02 AM jredding: https://docs.google.com/a/association.drupal.org/document/d/117jZfi8fJv7KPtgDVxzXx3EtiZA6imj6AV_COoig3h4/edit?hl=en_US
11:04:05 AM webchick: hellooooo
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11:04:44 AM self: Arriving just in time
11:04:48 AM self: And, listening to two calls at once.
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11:05:16 AM coltrane: *waves*
11:05:19 AM self: Had a client call run late, so, they are still in my ears.
11:05:22 AM Pinolo: hello everyone
11:05:24 AM jredding: Is there anyone in IRC that is NOT on the call? 
11:05:33 AM redndahead: me
11:05:34 AM hejrocker: jredding i am not on the call
11:05:42 AM webchick: i'm on both
11:05:45 AM Pinolo: jredding I'm not on the call
11:05:46 AM aenw: i'm not on the call
11:05:47 AM webchick: but might need to drop off
11:05:48 AM cosmicdreams: On the call, in irc, muted
11:05:49 AM greggles: *is not on call*
11:05:50 AM pedrofaria: jredding: \o/
11:06:07 AM dlmax: *is not on the call*
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11:08:37 AM dougvann: *is on the call now    *
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11:10:00 AM skottler: *is on the call*
11:10:09 AM jredding: https://association.drupal.org/node/1569
11:10:15 AM jredding: Community Cultivation Grants
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11:11:36 AM skottler: http://bad-ass.org.uk/what-is-drupal
11:12:17 AM skottler: Its really well done
11:12:20 AM self: Apparently, drupal is bad ass.
11:12:22 AM webchick: ++
11:12:26 AM illmatix: ++
11:12:30 AM skottler: self: well that's true...
11:12:33 AM skottler: 
11:14:37 AM self: Google stole that from us <unconfirmed fact>
11:14:41 AM kepford: Not on the call. 
11:14:56 AM illmatix: me either
11:15:11 AM cosmicdreams: Awesome!, no more subscribing posts?  They're talking about adding a +1 to issue queues
11:15:43 AM webchick: fixing +1 subscribe+++++++
11:15:45 AM pedrofaria: good
11:15:49 AM kepford: Yeah +1 would be great. 
11:16:07 AM self: d.o got a lot of end-user-prettification; but, needs a lot of dev friendliness still
11:16:09 AM pedrofaria: very useful
11:16:10 AM illmatix: yeah it would be a good feature
11:16:15 AM self: Last I looked Themes docs were still mostly not done for 7.
11:17:36 AM jredding: The floor is open for questions on the update I just made. 
11:17:52 AM kepford: Is there a way to Skype into the call?
11:17:55 AM cosmicdreams: I'm working on drupal.mn for my Minnesota based user group.  I'd love to be able to sponsor drupal community talks there periodically
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11:18:01 AM hejrocker: kepford, no 
11:18:02 AM cosmicdreams: Anyone interested in giving a talk?
11:18:09 AM self: kepford: Yeah, gimme your skype id and I'll conference you in
11:18:15 AM self: Same goes for anyone who needs Skype.
11:18:19 AM hejrocker: argh
11:18:31 AM hejrocker: nexttime i guess, already started another call
11:19:13 AM dlmax: An unsubscribe option or better filtering from followed issues would be welcome too.
11:19:15 AM pedrofaria: self: put me in
11:19:21 AM pedrofaria: self: eu.sou.o.pedro
11:19:40 AM dougvann: kepford: "Skype-Out" is a cheap paid service of Skype that allows you to place calls to real phone lines. I've used it for years and strongly recommend it. 
11:19:48 AM kepford: bobkepford is my Skype name
11:19:49 AM aenw: self: would much appreciate the skype hook-up:  'ashley_e'
11:20:02 AM kepford: What's the number?
11:20:15 AM self: mozillamonks will be the contact request name
11:20:24 AM skottler: kepford: all the info is here https://association.drupal.org/node/13184
11:21:49 AM pedrofaria: self: thank you
11:21:51 AM skottler: Whoever just called it, can you please mute
11:21:59 AM skottler: in**
11:21:59 AM self: That'd be you pedrofaria
11:22:20 AM skottler: pedrofaria: thanks 
11:22:52 AM kepford: Just want to listen. Stuck in a waiting room
11:23:01 AM jredding: https://docs.google.com/document/d/117jZfi8fJv7KPtgDVxzXx3EtiZA6imj6AV_COoig3h4/edit?hl=en_US
11:23:04 AM self: kepford: you didn't accept the request to add contact.
11:23:14 AM aenw: (thanks self!!)
11:23:27 AM kepford: I'm calling in via phone. 
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11:25:29 AM aenw: fyi: on the call, jredding is taking any other Qs (in addition to those on google doc).  
11:25:38 AM mrconnerton: Is anyone going to scribe the questions / answers from the call?
11:25:50 AM aenw: (i'm trying to do a little of that scribing)
11:26:11 AM aenw: Q: 1 on the google doc
11:26:26 AM pedrofaria: echo
11:26:27 AM skottler: Please mute if you are on the call
11:26:28 AM mrconnerton: Whoever joined needs to mute
11:26:40 AM self: can't understand
11:26:41 AM cosmicdreams: hearing static
11:26:42 AM self: there we go
11:26:42 AM aenw: ans: yes -- working on it. in next 6 month, working on aggregating info from various sources, and putting on on the assocn website
11:27:06 AM aenw: looking for ways to get folks outside the association to help contribute (aggregate it)
11:27:36 AM aenw: there is a group on d.o:  groups/d.o./ marketing  Look there, too.  and consider joining.
11:27:47 AM aenw: so short ans: we're working on that now, but haven't yet made it public.
11:28:13 AM mrconnerton: group is actually: http://groups.drupal.org/marketing-drupal
11:28:25 AM skottler: http://drupal.com/trademark
11:28:36 AM aenw: Q from robin:  need to respect copyright/trademark, but have cohesion about how people can market and use the term "Drupal"
11:28:54 AM jredding: mrconnerton: Thank you. 
11:28:58 AM aenw: (yes -- please anyone else help scribe!)
11:29:22 AM mrconnerton: aenw, I can help but I don't want to write over each other 
11:29:57 AM kepford: Trademark is explained on drupal.com/trademark
11:30:10 AM aenw: ans: info is on drupal.com about 'Drupal' term licensing.
11:30:29 AM aenw: from robin:  examples of use would be really helpful.
11:30:55 AM mrconnerton: trademark: If you have questions about if you do or don't need a license for the trademark of drupal, just ask: http://drupal.com/trademark/apply they will let you know if you do or dont, and if it will cost or not
11:31:34 AM mrconnerton: I have had instances where I needed a licenses, but it didn't cost anything.
11:31:42 AM aenw: from robin: ex - make sure that as Drupal becomes more known and tends towards being used more loosely, keep from it being 'diluted.'
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11:32:14 AM aenw: robin:  I've reached out to Dries to start the discussions on this, and tightening / loosening trademark info, and examples.
11:32:55 AM aenw: jredding: thanks for that valuable feedback.  As we start to aggregate the marketing material, please monitor that to make sure we're adhering to that.
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11:33:59 AM skottler: That was great jredding
11:34:37 AM aenw: Jredd: next question on the doc: does DA have plans to be invovled in non drupcal confs?
11:35:02 AM self: http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-marketing was the group; I believe.
11:35:24 AM aenw: jredd:  we don't have intention to hire full-time marketer, but we do want to do marketing and grow drupal.  We want to do this by empowering our community to do this (vs. D.A doing it all directly)
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11:35:46 AM hejrocker: can someone putthat url in here?
11:35:57 AM aenw: jredd: comm. cultivation grants are part of that.  Ex: the camps and Brighton grant awarded.
11:36:36 AM mrconnerton: hejrocker, which url?
11:36:38 AM aenw: jredd: so we want to support folks that are going to conferences (D.A. staff may not go to confs directly)
11:36:56 AM hejrocker: mrconnerton, sorry wrong window
11:37:01 AM mrconnerton: 
11:37:13 AM aenw: jredd: help by providing info, connecting with sponsors (ex: getting a booth at OSCON for those that were attending)
11:37:36 AM aenw: jredd: helps to ans #2: what are we doing to help connect to new audiences
11:37:58 AM aenw: jredd: work wiht our businesses and communities to help *them* market and reach new people
11:38:15 AM aenw: jredd -- hope I'm capturing what you said accurately!
11:38:23 AM aenw: jredd: any other Qs about marketing?
11:38:24 AM dougvann: great answer jredding . very thorough and excellent position for the DA 
11:38:29 AM jredding: aenw: You're doing a great job! Thank you!
11:38:43 AM mrconnerton: pay per click?
11:38:52 AM aenw: jredd: next Q: does DA purchase ads..  or PPC (pay per click) ads ?
11:39:23 AM aenw: jredd: ans = depends on your perspective.  we don't purchase ads directly. So... 'No' is one answer.
11:39:54 AM aenw: jredding: but we have done *media trades* for DrupalCon(s).
11:40:14 AM aenw: jredd: we've never purchased ads directly about Drupal or Drupal releases.
11:40:41 AM aenw: jredd:  we have some in the works that we're excited about. (But agreements aren't quite complete)
11:40:45 AM aenw: jredd: Qs about that?
11:40:59 AM aenw: jredd:  Next Q:
11:41:09 AM aenw: (oops - my bad. --- aenew)
11:41:33 AM aenw: jredd: I'm skipping to other Qs about marketing.  Then will do Qs about training & developers, then about the board.
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11:41:50 AM aenw: jredd:  next: what is DA doing to grow developer base?
11:42:12 AM aenw: jredd:  We're short developers worldwide.  
11:42:39 AM dougvann: jredd:   The problem is global. 
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11:43:13 AM aenw: jredd: tells story about being in Vietnam, just chatting with some devs; dev shortage exists in NY, Vietnam, Shaghi (sp? sorry) -- it's everywhere.
11:43:16 AM self: Have we ever considered apprenticeships?
11:43:21 AM aenw: jredd: multiple ways to solve this...
11:43:30 AM skottler: self: they don't really work… 
11:44:07 AM self: Can we abduct Wordpress developers and brain-wash them? 
11:44:13 AM aenw: jredd: (thanks to DrupalConSF) training at conferences.  helps folks ramp into conferences, also helps get people into Drupal.  trained over 450 in SF.  Again in Copenh, Chicago (400+)
11:44:36 AM aenw: jredd: in London trained over 2000 (thanks largely to Heather James)
11:44:49 AM aenw: (aenw: hope I got the numbers right. someone correct if not)
11:44:52 AM self: I am kinda curious tho, how many Drupal developers stay with Drupal -- because I know many who've left.
11:45:16 AM aenw: jredd: we're helping training companies to do more training
11:45:34 AM aenw: jredd: wroking on d.o to highlight more training in marketplace, and encourage folks to do more training
11:45:43 AM aenw: jredd: more cultivation grants cover training
11:45:54 AM aenw: jredd: Q = any connection with 2ndary education, etc?
11:46:29 AM aenw: jredd:  there are some programs.  on in D.C. area (vocational teaching drupal)  Have talked with some universities about having Drupal on the cirriculum.  But don't know o fany formal program now.
11:46:30 AM dougvann: jredd : Q .= higher ed , or vocational institutions as well.
11:46:43 AM self: University material, sadly, tends to be outdated -- and may be "too late" for a changing API like Drupal.
11:46:51 AM mrconnerton: One of the core problems however is there are extremely few colleges / universities that have "real" web development programs
11:46:57 AM mrconnerton: self, exactly
11:47:03 AM aenw: jredd: we do try to reach out to univs, etc, around DrupalCons.
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11:47:22 AM aenw: jredd:  Qs?
11:47:38 AM self: The university here teaches only Java, but PHP 3 (3?!?) is an option.
11:47:39 AM self: So, bleh.
11:47:48 AM mrconnerton: "comp sci" at most of the collages I looked at were all about learning age old languages and maybe had 1-2 calsses on "html"
11:47:49 AM self: q: I am kinda curious tho, how many Drupal developers stay with Drupal -- because I know many who've left.
11:47:49 AM aenw: jredd:  opening up the floor to developer base & training topic.  Questions?
11:47:50 AM dougvann: good stuff jredding ... well thought out answers indeed. very apreciative.
11:47:54 AM pedrofaria: self: lol
11:47:57 AM self: q: Are we doiung anything to /retain/ devs?
11:48:13 AM self: *== Robin Monks*
11:48:15 AM hejrocker: i think a lot of devs come and go based on job opportunities
11:48:20 AM aenw: jredd: ans to how many stay with drupal?
11:48:21 AM hejrocker: and their current employment
11:48:43 AM hejrocker: i know most ive known who left just went from a job with drupal to one without, they aren't technology specialists
11:48:54 AM aenw: jredd: We look at metrics to try to watch how many are coming, staying, etc.  Esp at conferences and camps.
11:49:21 AM aenw: jredd:  we don't know if folks leave. (we don't put trackers on them). We do track *new* accounts, commits, etc.  We look at aggregates.
11:49:34 AM self: Gotcha, so, we only know it's /growing/, but, we don't know the "churn" of people coming/leaving and balancing each other out.
11:49:49 AM dougvann: 
11:50:02 AM mrconnerton: mmm beer
11:50:15 AM aenw: jredd: DrupalCon also gives us some info (in addition to beer)
11:51:01 AM aenw: jredd: that leads to next 2 Qs: Chris in LA asks 'is there data that shows growth in Drupal' and 'pay grades, etc' info?
11:51:21 AM aenw: jredd:  ans: no DA document on pay (there is some info in private companies)
11:51:25 AM dougvann: *is on site with a client and needs to peel off the call.    THANK U  DA  !!*
11:51:36 AM self: Shalom doug.
11:51:47 AM aenw: jredd: any recent data that shows growth in job market?
11:52:00 AM aenw: jredd: this isn't data that DA tracks.  But there is data out there (from other businesses).  
11:52:23 AM aenw: jredd;  we're trying to connect with these companies and aggregating this info so that we can put it up on the site.
11:52:38 AM aenw: jredd:  need to address legal / proprietary info about it.
11:52:42 AM aenw: jredd: Qs about that?
11:53:01 AM self: It's totally useful for me
11:53:07 AM self: Because, I never know how much to ask on a contract 
11:53:12 AM aenw: jredd: Is this info useful?  We don't ask bout this or track it.
11:53:21 AM self: *raises hand*
11:53:26 AM aenw: I'm with you, self.  This would be helpful to me as well.
11:53:30 AM skottler: self: speak 
11:53:35 AM mrconnerton: maybe as an optional survey item, not mandatory
11:53:36 AM self: No, I mean, it's useful to me... probably a bad gesture.
11:53:38 AM self: Sorry 
11:53:56 AM jredding: self: You have the floor on the call
11:54:06 AM aenw: (jredd is responding in IRC; no talking on phone right now.)
11:54:11 AM mrconnerton: I would imagine its useful industry wide to know what the "standard" rate is and the high and lows
11:54:54 AM aenw: jredd: there used to be a session at Drupalcon with this info presented.  (liza .. ? used to do it)
11:54:59 AM self: I do know in the past 12 months I've been able to increase my asking price 30% and /still/ have to turn down offers.
11:55:23 AM aenw: jredd: next = Board of Directors nominations and governeance.
11:55:31 AM aenw: jredd: any last Qs before we move on?
11:55:39 AM aenw: jredd: (on previous topics)
11:55:55 AM aenw: [sound of silence]
11:56:08 AM aenw: jredd:  OK.  on to governance.  background = link coming
11:56:37 AM aenw: jredd:  DA have had lots of changes in the last year.  One of the big changes (not drastic, but big) to governance model.
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11:57:13 AM aenw: jredd: past = Drupal Belgian.  had a general assembly + BOD.  GA = 35 people or so.
11:57:31 AM aenw: jredd:  so track = first become a GA member, then GA would vote you to become a board member.
11:57:32 AM jredding: https://association.drupal.org/node/1119
11:58:21 AM aenw: jredd: over the past year, we realized we're growing need ot review how we can best support our growth and our move from 100 volunteer, to hjaving some paid staff.
11:58:53 AM aenw: jredd:  so we started shifting work to paid staff, and board needed to shift from doing some work to focusing on policy.
11:59:08 AM aenw: (I need someone to take over scribing... -aenw)
11:59:23 AM mrconnerton: aenw, k
11:59:26 AM aenw: jredd: so we came up with a new model:  stil have a BOD..
11:59:33 AM aenw: (thanks mrconnerton.  take it away!)
11:59:41 AM mrconnerton: jredd: so for the past several months a nomination committie has been looking for board members
11:59:55 AM mrconnerton: and the a.d.o is about to get a set of new board memebers that will serve for 1-3 years
11:59:59 AM mrconnerton: so: where are we at with that?
12:00:14 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the nomination committie has done a lot of work
12:00:26 PM mrconnerton: jredd: they found some really amazing people and have done a ton of reasearch into it
12:00:29 PM mrconnerton: (sorry for spl)
12:00:40 PM mrconnerton: jredd: they have put forth a recommondation of 10 directors
12:00:56 PM mrconnerton: jredd: and that is going through a final review and feedback process before it goes up for election / made public
12:01:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: there isn't and exact date, but you should hear something late to mid october
12:01:21 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the reason it istn' public is some of the people have not actually accepted it yet
12:01:30 PM mrconnerton: jredd: and there are other internal processes to go through
12:01:46 PM mrconnerton: jredd: floor is open for questions on governance
12:01:52 PM mrconnerton: jredd: and board of directors, etc
12:02:00 PM self: Is there still a general assembly?
12:02:17 PM self: I seen a wall of text in your blog post and ran, so, the answer may be in there.
12:02:48 PM mrconnerton: jredd: no
12:03:30 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the election process for the open seats right now is still being determined
12:03:35 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the GA what it used to be
12:03:51 PM mrconnerton: jredd: was a mixture of people heavly involved with govanance was people who wanted to get things done
12:04:01 PM mrconnerton: jredd: when we moved to a policy board, you move the titles and the ability to get work done
12:04:28 PM self: So, does anyone vote on the board now?
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12:04:49 PM mrconnerton: jredd: yes and no
12:04:57 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the nomination commity who is made of people from....
12:05:10 PM mrconnerton: jredd: [don't want to get it wrong, pulling up the structure]
12:05:15 PM mrconnerton: jredd: this is outlined in the wall of text
12:05:37 PM mrconnerton: jredd: committi is made up of community members, board memebers, director, and advisory members
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12:06:16 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the nomincation committie is the group that filters board memebers
12:06:27 PM mrconnerton: jredd: every year the group finds replacmenets when older members move out
12:06:38 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the board votes for new board members
12:06:46 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the reason is to create consistancy and a board that works well toegehter
12:06:49 PM mrconnerton: jredd: that is for the 9 members
12:06:52 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the other at large seats
12:07:09 PM mrconnerton: jredd: is where we want to make sure we always have a place for our community to get on the board without a huge commitment
12:07:13 PM mrconnerton: jredd: at large terms are 1 year
12:07:15 PM mrconnerton: jredd: board members are 3
12:07:25 PM self: So, can someone at lange go into a 3yr board seat?
12:07:37 PM self: I'm just concerned for how hard it would be to get "new" blood from the community into there.
12:07:47 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we will continue to work with that process to make sure we make up the comminity good
12:08:03 PM mrconnerton: jredd: that is a valid concern
12:08:11 PM mrconnerton: jredd: and people shared that same concern when we went through the processs
12:08:27 PM self: (sorry to be monopolizing this time >.<)
12:08:44 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the direct awnser is not through the process, however there is nothing preventing the nomination commite from asking them to 
12:09:11 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we had the same concern, that is why we have the at large, we want it to be refereshed often
12:09:24 PM mrconnerton: jredd: also why we have a nomination committie constantly looking at the board makup
12:09:35 PM self: And, thanks so much for explaining it to me 
12:09:43 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the nomination committie is not a part of the board
12:09:59 PM mrconnerton: jredd: if you have any issues with these processes, bring them up at the town hall meetings
12:10:04 PM mrconnerton: jredd: any follow up questions?
12:10:12 PM mrconnerton: jredd: Angie on the call that may want to say something?
12:10:33 PM mrconnerton: Angie: ya I am very excited about the way the board is heading
12:10:43 PM mrconnerton: Angie: I think it allows us to open up the board to more people we could in the past
12:11:03 PM mrconnerton: Angie: if you get elected in the past, it was for life
12:11:13 PM mrconnerton: Angie: in the past we had a bunch of issues where we couldn'at make decisinos
12:11:17 PM self: LOL
12:11:24 PM mrconnerton: Angie: and the GA used to be Dries friends, etc
12:11:37 PM mrconnerton: Angie: so now we have a way to get people into leadership positions that wouldn't nomrally be there which is cool
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12:11:57 PM mrconnerton: Angie: another thing is switching to committie structures there are new ways for more people to get invovled
12:12:00 PM self: *feels bad for mrconnerton since webchick tends to talk fast.*
12:12:09 PM mrconnerton: Angie: this will allow the peope who aren't on the radar a way to get involved
12:12:10 PM mrconnerton: lol
12:12:14 PM pedrofaria: lol
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12:12:23 PM mrconnerton: Angie: we won't be held back by a 9 person board triying to do everything
12:12:36 PM mrconnerton: Angie: I'm pretty excired to get the new board figured out 
12:12:46 PM mrconnerton: jredd: thanks Angie
12:12:54 PM webchick: LOL
12:12:57 PM webchick: sory about that. 
12:13:01 PM webchick: I get SO exCITED
12:13:03 PM aenw: when will these new board shifts be reviewed?  (I wonder if a 1 year term is long enough for at large seats.  Maybe 18 months, staggered?)
12:13:05 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I'm not seeing any other quetsions
12:13:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: before I move on....
12:13:19 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we just crossed the hour mark
12:13:28 PM mrconnerton: jredd: if you have any questions, please bring them up now
12:13:33 PM mrconnerton: jredd: or else I will start winding down
12:13:39 PM self: is there already a date for the next townhall?
12:13:40 PM webchick: aenw: we could possibly stagger them in the future. i think the idea is that since they're a new concept, we'll do a low-risk option and see how ti goes
12:13:49 PM self: If not, is there a easy way to subscribe to find out when it will be?
12:13:51 PM webchick: aenw: but board positions are staggered. 1/3 of the board rolls over each year
12:13:57 PM mrconnerton: self, or +1 
12:13:59 PM self: I literally found this one by someone I knew reminding me it was happening
12:14:02 PM aenw: webchick: makes total sense.  Is there a milestone set to review things?
12:14:23 PM mrconnerton: jredd: q: is a 1 year term large enough?
12:14:30 PM webchick: aenw: not currently. we're trying to avoid setting too much policy before the new board is elected, to give them the opportunity to set those rather than inheriting a bunch of stuff
12:14:38 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the nomination committie is reviewing this as we go. we will probably stick with 1 year for at least 2 years
12:14:43 PM webchick: aenw: but I would guess after 1 year would make sense
12:14:50 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  but drupal vzw was setup not but 5 years ago and it took us a few years
12:14:55 PM webchick: oh, or 2 
12:14:58 PM mrconnerton: jredd: it was working great for a while but we needed to make some changes
12:14:59 PM webchick: listen to jredding
12:15:01 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  so is there a set time? now
12:15:03 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  so is there a set time? no
12:15:13 PM mrconnerton: jredd: but will we review it? yes!
12:15:23 PM mrconnerton: jredd: how are we supporting it, is this the right way, etc, etc
12:15:30 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we listen to you guys like we are right now, the board, etc
12:16:11 PM mrconnerton: jredd: from my perspective, if the board is doing the right thing and listenting to the committie, I don't see the at large as a check. if you are constantly seeing the at large going against the board, then we will clearly see something is wrong
12:16:19 PM mrconnerton: jredd: but you can see the meeting minutes public on a.d.o
12:16:29 PM mrconnerton: jredd: you will see the results of any votes, etc, see what is going on
12:16:39 PM aenw: great to know (and all ask I expected.)  thanks!
12:16:44 PM self: Actually, I think I got it in the newsletter 
12:16:47 PM self: I'm just a dummy.
12:16:49 PM mrconnerton: jredd: q: is there a date for the next town hall:
12:16:55 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  no haven't set it, but we do it quartly
12:17:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we are already looking at 2012 and will set them for the whole year so they are more predictable
12:17:15 PM webchick: town halls++
12:17:19 PM self: +1
12:17:35 PM mrconnerton: jredd: right now the easy way to subscribe, membership, be a part of the newsletter
12:17:39 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I prefer the membership
12:18:00 PM mrconnerton: jredd: alright, I'm going to wrap up on that talking about membership
12:18:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: this is one of the areas of focus for the DA
12:18:17 PM mrconnerton: jredd: you may have seen we are doing alot of things around membership
12:18:29 PM mrconnerton: jredd: for drupal con chicago you were able to buy a membership
12:18:35 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  we are tweeting, etc. 
12:18:44 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  we are trying to group our membership base
12:18:58 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I'm not ending on a here is my fundraiser drive, etc
12:19:00 PM aenw: (grow membership base.  )
12:19:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we have 1495 members
12:19:13 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we have 700 business members
12:19:19 PM mrconnerton: jredd: 1495 individual members
12:19:22 PM mrconnerton: jredd: alot of people are both
12:19:29 PM mrconnerton: jredd: on d.o there are 11k developers
12:19:36 PM mrconnerton: jredd: i think it is almost 12k now
12:19:50 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I would like to see our memebership get close to that of those on d.o with git account contributing modules
12:19:55 PM mrconnerton: jredd: never want to make it a requiremnet
12:20:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: there is a finacial side, $30 deff makes a dent and helps
12:20:17 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we want to do more with it
12:20:31 PM mrconnerton: jredd: more importantly I want to see a strong membership base becaseu that is the voice I want to hear
12:20:39 PM mrconnerton: jredd: this is our project, this is what we want to see
12:20:54 PM mrconnerton: jredd: if you become a memeber its $30, and we understand that is a lot for some people
12:21:02 PM self: You can get that 30$ back on one or two O'rielly books with that coupon</plug>
12:21:37 PM mrconnerton: jredd: your demonstrating to teh world that you as a dev/designer, themer, etc as well as you as a community memeber, you are telling the world you are part of this giant community
12:21:44 PM mrconnerton: jredd: that is why I wnat to see a big membership base
12:22:02 PM mrconnerton: jredd: so we can tell teh world, ya its great software, but we also have a great powerfull community
12:22:22 PM mrconnerton: jredd: look at what we have built together, we built software but we also built this mamoth association
12:22:29 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I want to hit 5k members
12:22:33 PM mrconnerton: jredd: by the middle of next year
12:22:41 PM mrconnerton: jredd: That is where we are at right now
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12:23:02 PM mrconnerton: jredd: alright, so there are no more quetsions
12:23:08 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I didn't see any in the google doc
12:23:16 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  then we will go ahead and wind down
12:23:20 PM mrconnerton: jredd: last change for questions:
12:23:24 PM self: Coffee and virtual donuts in the back. 
12:23:27 PM mrconnerton: jredd: in irc, or the call
12:23:32 PM aenw: mmmmm donuts.
12:23:53 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I do imaging that I am in a virtiual church basement, or vfw lodge, 
12:23:57 PM mrconnerton: jredd: mooooose lodge 
12:24:00 PM aenw: We're in the basement of the Drupal lodge.
12:24:01 PM mrconnerton: jredd: ..........
12:24:04 PM self: Hah
12:24:12 PM mrconnerton: jredd: Thanks for coming to take the time
12:24:16 PM mrconnerton: jredd: I know we are around the world here
12:24:22 PM mrconnerton: jredd: people up in the middle of night or up really early
12:24:32 PM mrconnerton: jredd: Thanks!
12:24:42 PM mrconnerton: jredd: keep those comments coming
12:24:48 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we do listen, we monitor everywhere we can
12:24:52 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we look at d.o and twitter, etc
12:24:59 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we listen to the surveys from drupal con
12:25:05 PM mrconnerton: jredd: if you haven't yet, start getting ready for drupal con denver
12:25:11 PM mrconnerton: jredd: we have some really great things going on there
12:25:17 PM mrconnerton: jredd: the local team is doing some really amazing work
12:25:30 PM self: Thanks jredding, you're doing an awesome job ^.^
12:25:32 PM mrconnerton: jredd: some new ideas of getting us together, really great sessions, some really fresh things going on. going to be a really great concerence
12:25:35 PM mrconnerton: jredd: thank again!
12:25:41 PM mrconnerton: jredd: and I will talk to you guys all at the next town hall!
12:25:50 PM mrconnerton: jredd:  and we will get that announced soon!
12:25:50 PM jredding: Thanks everyone!
12:25:58 PM mrconnerton: Thanks jredding
12:26:08 PM aenw: thanks self for the Skype hookup!
12:26:09 PM pedrofaria: thanks
12:26:14 PM pedrofaria: ueah
12:26:16 PM self: aenw: You're most welcome
12:26:27 PM pedrofaria: self: thanks for your help
12:26:29 PM pedrofaria: 
12:26:31 PM self: np ^.^
12:26:31 PM mrconnerton: CRAP!! this means I have to go back to work ;-P
12:26:47 PM aenw: thanks mrconnerton for taking over the scribing!
12:26:51 PM mrconnerton: no prob
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12:27:07 PM aenw: ciao all.
12:27:11 PM pedrofaria: cya
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12:29:39 PM jredding: mrconnerton and aenw: Thank you for doing the transcription and getting this into IRC. HIghly appreciated. 
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12:30:40 PM mrconnerton: jredding, just make sure to let people know if they want exact details to listen to the call recording ;-P I think I only got 75% of what you said
12:33:38 PM gusaus: oh cool - the call was recorded?
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12:39:28 PM jredding: gusaus: yes. I'm uploading it now. 
12:41:23 PM gusaus: jredding: great - from lurking in the irc, it sounded like a very productive call  
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12:43:19 PM jredding: gusaus: The file has to take a rather interesting Internet path to to get to a.d.o. 
12:43:27 PM jredding: I feel like the Internet should solve this for us
12:43:59 PM jredding: From freeconferencecall.com to my laptop, my laptop to drumm via skype, drumm to d.o infrastructure via scp
12:44:02 PM jredding: and then a link back. 
12:44:04 PM jredding:  
12:44:26 PM jredding: Give it 10-15-ish. 
12:44:42 PM gusaus: indeed - i know all about strange workflows from doing drupal dojo sessions  
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1:07:19 PM webchick: Hey, could someone hook me up with a text log from this chat?
1:07:26 PM webchick: Adium keeps XML logs and they fill me with nerdrage
1:08:21 PM webchick: Hm. Well maybe copy/paste will work.
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1:17:43 PM mrconnerton: webchick|oot, till something more official comes out: http://paste2.org/p/1677652
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