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Dr. Kornbluth, Dr Gay, McGill vs Democratic senator Kirsten Gillibrand, transcript for LLMs rhetorics
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Senator: | |
Dr. Kornbluth, at MIT, does calling for the genocide | |
of Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules | |
regarding bullying and harassment, yes or no? | |
Kornbluth: | |
if targeted at individuals.... and not making public statements. | |
Senator: | |
Yes or no? | |
Calling for the genocide of Jews does not | |
constitute bullying and harassment? | |
Kornbluth: | |
I have not heard calling for the genocide | |
for Jews on our campus. | |
Senator: | |
But you've heard chants for intifada. | |
Kornbluth: | |
I've heard chants, which can be anti-Semitic, | |
depending on the context, when calling for the elimination | |
of the Jewish people. | |
Senator: | |
So those would not be according to the MIT's code | |
of conduct or rules? | |
Kornbluth: | |
That would be investigated as harassment, | |
if pervasive and severe. | |
Senator: | |
Ms. McGill, at Penn, does calling | |
for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's rules or code | |
of conduct, yes or no? | |
McGill: | |
If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment. | |
Yes. | |
Senator: | |
I am asking, specifically calling | |
for the genocide of Jews, does that | |
constitute bullying or harassment? | |
McGill: | |
If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment. | |
So the answer is yes. | |
It is a context-dependent decision, Congresswoman. | |
It's a context-dependent decision. | |
Senator: | |
That's your testimony today. | |
Does calling for the genocide of Jews is, depending upon the context, that is not bullying or harassment? | |
This is the easiest question to answer, yes, Ms. McGill. | |
So is your testimony that you will not answer "yes"? | |
McGill: | |
If it is, if the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment. | |
Yes. | |
Senator: | |
"Conduct" meaning: committing the act of genocide? | |
The speech is not harassment? | |
This is unacceptable, Ms. McGill. | |
I'm going to give you one more opportunity for the world | |
to see your answer. | |
Does calling for the genocide of Jews | |
violate Penn's code of conduct when | |
it comes to bullying and harassment, yes or no? | |
McGill: | |
It can be harassment. | |
The answer is yes. | |
Senator: | |
And Dr. Gay, at Harvard, does calling | |
for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules | |
of bullying and harassment, yes or no? | |
Gay: | |
It can be, depending on the context. | |
Senator: | |
What's the context? | |
Gay: | |
Targeted as an individual. | |
Senator: | |
Targeted at an individual. | |
It's targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals. | |
Do you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them? | |
Do you understand that dehumanization | |
is part of anti-Semitism? | |
I will ask you one more time. | |
Does calling for the genocide of Jews | |
violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, | |
yes or no? | |
Gay: | |
Anti-Semitic rhetoric.... | |
Senator: | |
And is it anti-Semitic rhetoric? | |
Gay: | |
Anti-Semitic rhetoric, when it crosses into conduct, | |
that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation. | |
That is actionable conduct. | |
And we do take action. | |
Senator: | |
So the answer is yes. | |
That calling for the genocide of Jews | |
violates Harvard code of conduct, correct? | |
Gay: | |
Again, it depends on the context.... | |
Senator: | |
It does not depend on the context. | |
The answer is yes. | |
And this is why you should resign. | |
These are unacceptable answers across the board. |
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